@anon34311147 thanks! I decided on the Apera 5 in 1 kit for now.
Coco goes to sleep at 1:30pm and wakes up at 7:30pm. Just took a picture of her and she looks kinda perky! Hope that’s a good sign of her recovery!
The new growth is looking great. You still have some twisting going on though. It will get worse as it grows out. You need to get the pH in check.
The Apera 5 in 1 is what i have but i have the Grostar GS4 model. It does the same thing. I dont know how it is different than the regular 5 in 1.
@anon34311147 
ikr! I’m watching my poor baby suffer! And it’s happening to her big sister Ellie now too! Got the Apera in my Amazon cart right now! Thank you 
! I gave her a good flush before the lights went out. I’ll share pictures of when she wakes up at 7:30pm EST
I would hold off on doing anything more to them until you get that meter. You might end up making it worse. Its better tjat they are growing a little funny than making it worse. Just water with plain tap water until then. Make sure to pour it a day or 2 inadvance to let the chlorine gas off.
Great Risings 
Everyone and Happy Labor Day 
And @Waldy178 here is Coco (Ellie’s little Sister) since the last time I posted on Coco, she has taken a turn towards rotting out like her big sister Ellie, but has taken this a lot better than she did and seems to still have hope.
These girls were my first ever time cultivating cannabis. Prior to them I tried my hands on growing scallions. But I learned the hard lesson from this first grow. Just to quickly recap.
I have learned
• Being Observant and not Obsessive.
I had obsessively checked on Coco and her big sister Ellie. Glad that I did. I was able to catch the fungus gnats on time and within two - three weeks I had them bug free. I used a neem oil and Johnson’s clean and clear head to toe baby soap. I didn’t have Castile soap. But after the Gnat war, I thought Coco was a little stunted in her growing and began to panic, and here lies the problem in why both of my plants are practically dead now. Well, Ellie is, little Coco here seems to still be kicking.
If you don’t know, Coco was found while breaking down roaches from grass we got from our dispensary. In her seedling stage, we had her in a large wonton soup container, which I nearly accidentally knocked her out of my apartment window. I live on the 20th floor! The soil was all over the inner and outer widow sills, and also in the window track. She spoke to me that day with the soil and her little seed leaves self, as I grew frustrated with myself and prepared to just chuck her out the window (of course making sure no one or animal was below) and call maintenance to inform them that my plant fell out the window. But she spoke to me and told me not to give up on her, so I listened. I’m still listening to her. She helped me save her and she kept helping me.
• Living Soil that’s water only from seed to harvest does NOT need PH Adjusting.
It was Coco who I thought was PH imbalanced and this group that told me that she had some ph problems and that I needed to get it in check before it goes to flower. I thought the tpm 3-in-1 soil meter could be used for testing the ph of water also, but I was wrong! I also learned that the tpm meter that I have, when put in the soil, the moisture meter, at minimum must be at the halfway moist mark in order to properly test the soils ph and light levels. In the beginning when I started messing around with the ph down, because the meter said my soil was very high ph.
So, it’s important that whenever you use this TPM meter here, that the soil is nice and moist so that the moisture part of the meter will read minimally halfway moist. You also have to slightly shift the meter around in the soil so that it will be balanced enough to read the soil. Deeper to the soil the better is what the company says. And I discovered APERA and BLUELAB brands of PH and PPM meters, which are the best on the market from what’s been told to me in this forum and from my research.
Speaking of Apera and BlueLab Meters. There are a few options for these meters, I’d suggest you read and research reviews before buying. They’re very costly (but worth it), especially the ones that goes into the actual soil. With Apera and BlueLab, you can get started with a kit that can measure your runoff from your plants for about $100. They do have meters that are in the $200 range. Make sure to take good care of your equipment.
• I learned that you should take the extra precautions of testing your water ph and ppm (I haven’t gotten to that part yet though) even if you are using water only living soil. Found that out in this forum also. In using hydroponics or a soil that you have to feed on a nutrient schedule, ph and ppm are a MUST. I plan on using the liquid nutrient system in soil in one of my near future grows, just for experience .
I loved on them plants and still have through all of this. I had always sat and watched them, talked to them, and also listened. I can’t feel too bad about my mistakes. Some of the best growers of cannabis have made their mistakes too. I’m glad to have the opportunity to learn and grow as a farmer. I’m also grateful for your support in all of this! We truly are one human family, and it’s such a blessing to be unified by the Ganja, Weed, Pot, Dope, Choke, Smoke, Cannabis, Grass, and whatever other names it may go by.
If Coco survives and starts growing new green and flourishes to flower, I’ll keep you posted! Until then, keep growing, keep sharing, keep loving each other, and helping each other when you can. As the Beatles’ song, which was widely made popular by Joe Cocker goes,
“Tryyyyy with a little help from my friends, Get Byyyyyyy with a little help from my friends, Get Hiiiiggggghhh with a little help from my friends!”
Thank you all for being the support system that I needed during this time. I’m looking forward to showing you guys my seed to harvest in my future grows and also learning and supporting your grows too! @anon34311147 @IslandGrown76 @Dexterado @Hashtonbutcher @Reed71
Coco Today 9/4/2023
Looking like she’s doing little better @Negrita007 happy growing my friend
@Reed71 @anon34311147 @Hashtonbutcher @Dexterado @IslandGrown76 .
Ok guys. I need your opinions and expertise on what is the best option for Coco. I have $40 USD to get some top soil if needed. Remember, I’m using a water only grow with California Super Soil on the bottom, super soil concentrate layer on top of that, and Fox Farm Ocean Forest as the topsoil, that was her original potting setup.
Since the ph down incident, and flushing her out with two gallons of filtered water, I tried to amend her soil and take out mostly all the soil except from the bottom added whatever FFOF I had left (which had to be mixed with miracle grow potting soil) after adding a little California super soil on the bottom.
I’m thinking of repotting her completely. I have enough California Super Soil and Super Soil Concentrate for the bottom of the pot. I’m going to my local plant store.
She’s almost two months old from being a little seedling. Would it be worth it or possible to replant her? I don’t know 
Howdy Negrita
I would try and save Coco 
If it was me i would just make it simple leave it be and keep your numbers right and feed her when need be she’s already stressed out so if you transplant her then your stressing her more and you will be starting all over that’s just my opinion my friend happy growing
@Reed71 @Hashtonbutcher thank you for responding! If I leave her, the pot is literally half filled. Will she outgrow that soil if she goes to flower? I spoke to the Bud Grower company and told them that Coco is about 2 months old from her seedling seed leaves self and was barely a foot above the grow pot. They told me to go ahead and repot her by getting an organic potting soil and mix it with 1/3 of their concentrate and put that on top of their super soil.
This is the soil I just ordered for delivery, along with some extra perlite just in case the soil doesn’t have enough.
This is the backup soil in case the first option isn’t available.
Either one of those seem fine. Your soil is going to be loaded with nutrients for the first 4 to 6 weeks or so and some. You probably wont need to add anything else the entire grow except pHed water. I would just leave the one you got going now alone. You can add topsoil to it though and everytime you water it will leach into the existing soil. Less stress and more helpful for the plant at rhis point. Just slowly revive it.
You better add some Dolomite lime also. It will buffer your pH and make it more manageable…
@anon34311147 yeah the kit I have is a water only from seed to harvest. This Back To The Roots soil has dolemite in it already. I’m gonna try to repot her because with the two gallons flushing out the ph down, the super soil on the bottom doesn’t have any nutrients in it. If she dies she dies, but I think she needs it and will make it if I repot her again. So when she goes into flower, the Supersoil on the bottom will feed her throughout harvest and it leaves the guessing game out of if she has enough nutes. Cause I don’t have anything but ph balanced water for her.
Here’s what’s in this new soil I’m waiting on:
About this product
Under Every Great Garden is Even Better Soil! Back to the Roots Organic All-Purpose Potting Mix is a great soil for herbs, veggies, fruits, and flowers in pots, in the ground, or in a raised bed or container! Packaged in a one cubic foot bag, this soil blend contains all-purpose plant food to help grow bigger plants*, dolomitic limestone to adjust pH, and yucca extract (saponin) for moisture control.
Okay, I’m sorry, disregard that then. Thats a very good soil you got there. Your okay…
Thanks @anon34311147 !!!
She’s replanted. Her soil around the roots was still moist. Husband watered the soil anyway. Hope it goes well. Had to add some perlite to the soil because it had NONE. But the potting looks great. Had enough supplies for a successful replant. Let’s hope she take to it. I’m gonna wait until she’s completely dry before watering her again.
Thank you for all of your advice and support throughout this process. Means so much because, you are presented with many different perspectives on growing cannabis. Truly like taking a master class!
This is Coco when we repotted her last night around 10pm
This is Coco before going to sleep from 1:30pm -7:30pm
@Hashtonbutcher @anon34311147 @Reed71 @Dexterado @IslandGrown76
Yup. She’s curling up! Gonna keep my eyes on her and hope she doesn’t start browning and crisping up on me. If her leaves stay green and soft, I feel like there’s hope. If she dies, I’m not sure if I can still use the soil. But at least I tried and will know better in my next grow! Which is going to be ILGM Girl Scout Cookies Extreme Photoperiod. I’m starting this December 
You dont want alot of light on her right now. Dim the lights until she recovers from the shock. She is in shock real bad. Baby her with shade and temp at 75 degrees with 65% relative humidity. Dont bother her until next watering.
Its good that you watered during transplant as it helps to settle the roots into the new soil.
@anon34311147 thank you! When she wakes up, I will take the light down from 75 to 50% (or maybe even 25%) how do you regulate the temperature in the tent? It fluctuates between 26-30 degrees Celsius (78-86 degrees Fahrenheit) I saw a mention of the Inkbird in some of the posts that I read on this platform and was considering getting one for my grow tent and one for the dry tent.