If I were to make a gallon of microbe mix with recharge, fishsh!t, and tribus how much would I want to add to the trays for a 5gal pot?
How much would I even put into a gallon? Should I up the ratio to make it concentrated?
This topic is something I’m probably over thinking but I never can tell if I’m getting it right. What do you all do?
What you mean by
Autopots or some other bottom feeding system?
I don’t want to put the mix into the Rez. I want to add it straight to the tray so it doesn’t clog anything. Ya for Autopots
Are you in coco-coir useing synthetics?
Most people in autopots are including myself.
But the reason I ask is if in coco-coir useing synthetics, these ingredients aren’t really beneficial.
The microbes in recharge have no food or anything to do as synthetics nutrients are already in “plant form” so they are readily available…
On the rare chance you’re in soil or useing organic nutrients then I’d say mix the recharge double strength whatever it says per gallon and then just add it to the trays, as much as they would normally fill up or even over full won’t hurt anything…
Sorry I wasn’t more specific. I’m in canna coco using silica and jacks
You’re good my freind no apology necessary 
But yeah, some sware by it however the science isn’t there to support much benefit if any from nutrient cycling microbes in hydroponics.
With coco-coir being inert and useing synthetics, makes it 100% hydroponics and pesticide microbes such as amyloliquefaciens in hydroguard are beneficial because they only protect against bad microbes.
But the role nutrient cycling microbes play in organics doesn’t exist in a synthetic system.
I’ll have to watch that, I’m a fan of that show. Thanks for the tip. I’m going to keep feeding the microbes for now since I got them.
Absolutely nothing wrong with it.
I used them when I first switched over to the autopots from soil.
You could use a syringe if ya had one with a long tip turkey baster could work maybe if not to fat, and inject the coco-coir with a super concentrated dose of the mixture.
Like just enough water so it flows and then go around the pot injecting the microbes all around 
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I still use some pesticide microbes but I haven’t bought anymore nutrient cycling microbes.
I grow in soil also and I use a product by espoma called bio-tone for my microbe source.
Did anyone watch this 5 min video?
[The process of photosynthesis in plants produces sugars, which are stored in the leaves and transported to the roots through the phloem ]. [The roots then use these sugars to power growth and metabolic processes via respiration].
Same here Grow Gro, only Silica and Jacks 321 for my coco and autopots 
So he’s saying that the synthetic nutrients don’t kill the microbes? Which means i should continue using them?
Microbes don’t eat the Synthetic nutrients but love to eat the roots.
Speaking of a Hydroponic grow, organic soil has the carbon based material not found in synthetic nutrients.
Synthetic Nutrients don’t feed the Microbes. The Microbes feed off the sugars that the plants provide via roots. At night the sugars made by the plant descends down to the root system providing energy for the roots to grow. Some of that sugar gets expelled into the media; water or coco coir, and provides energy for microbes. Be they good microbes or bad microbes. You want to provide your plant good microbes that will colonize the root zone so the bad microbes can’t get to the roots.
I’ve seen alot of Bruce Bugbee, basically hes saying synthetics don’t kill microbes as some think they do.
Also that microbes need organic matter or sugar to eat to do anything, with an old plant “root turnover” can provide some organic matter fir them to eat. But our plants dont have much “root turnover” because we don’t really grow them long enough.
That video has good info but it’s really talking about something different then you’re situation.
He’s talking about is microbial life in soil negatively impacted my synthetic fertilizers.
The answer is no.
There is videos of him talking about microbes in coco-coir or other fully synthetic systems and my understanding comes from his studies.
They certainly don’t hurt anything but theres no evidence that that have any meaningful benefits, but they definitely don’t hurt…
In order to have a net gain there needs to be an external input.
What little energy microbes get from sugars provided by the plant would not gain the plant anything because the energy came from it back to it.
In order for nutrient cycling microbes to benefit they need an external food source.
But pesticidal microbes that dont cycle nutrients are good in synthetic systems as they only protect against bag microbes…
Totally up to you to use or not, I love useing all the microbes in soil but I don’t use them in my coco-coir.
Way late to the party but when I decide I need to add anything directly to the trays I shut off each 1. I’ll check on them every hour or so and when they get low I’ll fill them up almost to the top edge of the tray. The valves will float up but no big deal. After that I just wait for them to get low again and turn the valves back on. I’ve never had any problems doing this
Yes, even though I’m using DWC (water) I’m still benefiting from beneficial microbes from the start of my seedlings. And my plant will benefit all the way through harvest.
Many people believe that since they are growing synthetically they can’t use any microbes, this is especially common with the hydroponic community. The truth is everyone can use microbial products to have a great beneficial impact on their plants’ health. The common misconception is that the synthetic nutrients will kill the microbes inside the media but this is completely false. While there is a slight possibility that a few microbes will die in the process this won’t matter in the end because most microbe products contain thousands and thousands of beneficial microbes.
What microbes do is protect the plant from potential pathogenic bacteria, this is very beneficial during the cloning or early veg stage since the plant is weaker and has less root zone. Microbes in simple words put up a no vacancy sign to all potential harmful pathogens. While being able to protect your plants from pathogens also allows the plants to absorb nutrition more effectively rather than absorbing it all at once. Microbes have a symbiotic relationship with plants and will store nutrition and distribute it to the plant as needed when microbes are added regularly.
Plants absorb carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere through their leaves and convert it to simple sugars via photosynthesis. These simple sugars are then transported to the roots, where they drive the growth and development of the plant. The process of sugar allocation to the roots is controlled by a molecular mechanism within plants that involves the activity of a certain factor, the target of rapamycin (TOR) protein. TOR becomes active in the pericycle cells only when sugar is present there, and founder cells then form the lateral roots through cell division. A better understanding of the processes that regulate root branching at the molecular level could contribute to improving plant growth and therefore crop yields.
The target of rapamycin (TOR) protein is a key developmental regulator in both plants and animals. TOR kinase integrates environmental and nutrient signals to direct growth and development in all eukaryotes studied. In plants, TOR functions as a complex called TORC1 with the core components regulatory-associated protein of TOR (Raptor) and lethal with SEC thirteen 8 (LST8). TOR becomes active in the pericycle cells only when sugar is present there, and founder cells then form the lateral roots through cell division. A better understanding of the processes that regulate root branching at the molecular level could contribute to improving plant growth and therefore crop yield.
If you want to do some research on the subject @Edword02 you may want to take a look at the name of the product……
Hydroguard is a bacterial root inoculant that contains a bacteria called bacillus amyloliquefacien. This bacteria acts as a fungicide and antibiotic for the plants, and has been studied in agriculture for its ability to kill plant cells infected with fungus. Hydroguard helps protect the roots by providing a kind of protective layer that shields them from disease, fungus, and other bacteria. The plant in turn secretes sugars and amino acids from the roots to feed the bacteria that are protecting them. In the process of consuming this food, the bacteria produce enzymes that help break down nutrients into smaller molecules that are easier for the plants to absorb.
Yes, Hydroguard can be used in hydroponic cannabis production to protect the roots from disease, fungus, and other bacteria. The bacteria in Hydroguard bacillus amyloliquefacien that acts as a fungicide and antibiotic for the plants. The plant in turn secretes sugars and amino acids from the roots to feed the bacteria that are protecting them. In the process of consuming this food, the bacteria produce enzymes that help break down nutrients into smaller molecules that are easier for the plants to absorb. Hydroguard has been studied in agriculture for its ability to kill plant cells infected with fungus. It is also known to increase the size and density of the roots’ mass, and nutrient uptake.
I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions…
Can Hydroguard be used in soil?
Yes, Hydroguard can be used in soil. It is a bacterial root inoculant that decomposes organic matter and converts it to nutrients that can be absorbed directly by plants’ roots. It is recommended to use it with every watering during your entire growth cycle.
Should it be used in coco?
For years I’ve been reading about Hellraiser using microbes in coco and now I feel like I’m wasting money.
Yes, @Hellraiser is correct. Remember it’s the roots that Hydroguard is forming a symbiotic relationship with. The Hydroguard can be used in a variety of substrates, including but not limited to soil, coco coir, rockwool, perlite, and vermiculite. It is a bacterial root inoculant that decomposes organic matter and converts it to nutrients that can be absorbed directly by plants’ roots. It is recommended to use it with every watering during your entire growth cycle.
