Sticky pads aren’t the most humane but idl getting them out of traps or the smell when they die from poison. I had a beast dog that would catch them better than any cat. Even buried him with his last kill. Lol! Ole Specky Boy. Part Beagle part Rottweiler. Size of a beagle, colors of a Rott, and personality of both. Would jump out of a moving car to tree a squirrel or catch a deer.
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@Spiney_norman I totally get the changes of the habitat thing, only not due to weather but rather to me. Lol! For the past 5 years I’ve been trying to win a battle against KnotWeed and other vines trying to smother my trees and cause ttem to fall into my house. My entire landscape around the house has changed multiple times and I get bugs I’ve never seen before and then ones I used to see regularly I don’t see anymore. Funky bugs too. And lizards of all colors, weird looking frogs. Of course the things that always remain are the stupid mice. They are always around and I hate them.
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Ok. So I am back rather quickly, I suppose. Today I see that 9 of the 10 have at least 1 root showing at bottom. Some multiple roots showing. So they seem to be growing well enough. At this point anyway. However, they went into water on 5/19, only what, 17 days ago, so yeah they are doing well enough, except that none of their Cotyledons have turned or fallen off yet and don’t look like they will any time soon. Is that odd? Do they ALWAYS fall off? I think I may have transplanted too soon, or really just started with too small pots, so they’ve already went from water to 2" pots to the 4 or 6" pots they’re in now. The next up is their forever homes and they are too small yet, I believe, to put them into 2, 3, or 5 gallon pots just yet. What say you guys.
Also, I’m not real sure about training at this point, or any time soon really. They are so small yet. You know? My plan is to mainline but I thought I’d have more time to harvest my big tent so I could move the 7 photos into that tent and keep the 3 Autos in the 4x2, but the photos in the big tent aren’t anywhere close to harvest time yet. What to do? What to do?? Decisions. Decisions.
Anyways, here they are today…
Oh yeah, also this roll of tie stuff is awfully thick. Does that stuff come in different diameters? Anybody know?.
Good morning. They are looking just fine for 2.5 weeks. The cotyledons not dropping is nothing to worry about. The cotyledons are the seedlings first food source while it grows enough roots to take up nutes and water. Just like any other leaf, the cotyledon won’t die and drop off if the plant is getting what it needs elsewhere.
Transplanting is a pretty subjective practice. I personally have seen better results when I transplant a few times. In a plastic pot you can also move a plant out of the light and slide the pot off to see if the roots are starting to bind up. Make sure the pots are mostly dry before you try this, if the medium is too wet it will crumble. Try to avoid allowing them to get root bound in the first place. I usually transplant soon after I see the first roots pop out of the bottom. Usually I will transplant 2 or 3 times in the first few weeks. Then they go to their final 3 gal pot. You will probably want to go with a bigger final pot since your hand watering.
I would discourage any newer grower from mainlining, and never with an auto or untested system. Mainlining is an extremely high stress technique. You can get great results with mainlines, but your grow needs to be on point. Temp, RH, feed, water, light, everything needs to be right for the plant to handle that much stress comfortably. Without Ideal conditions she will grow very slowly and likely produce a lesser quality than she could have. I would save mainlining for a few grows down the road when you have a tried and true system. If you really want to mainline this round, maybe only do one or two in stead of the whole lot. It is cool, I personally have a fondness for HST and torturing plants into greatness.
This is what I use, It’s like the Twist ties for your bread, but with a plastic cover in stead of paper.
G’morning. Thanks for that info. I didn’t want to train them, but I already know how 3 of my strains grow, 1 tall and 2 super squat. The short fat ones get so dense I can’t even pull the branches apart to see the center stalk on them, and I have to have them upon crates to keep them equal to the Agent Orange. Although when I grew them before, those stumpy ones were the best producers. That’s why I was going to. Just to get those branches apart. I plan to keep the Autos in a different tent. I’ve never grown it before, but watched a video by Phylos and to not train or defoliate. They said to use a 2 gallon pot and just let them go. Theirs looked like rows of yard shrubs, so maybe some plants are just meant to look like that. With pot size I am lucky because with those 3 strains I already know what kind of roots they grow so I think ima be good with 5 gallon for the Agent Orange and 3 gallon for the Super Lemon and Orange Bud. I think they will be ready for their last pot soon. I am also afraid that if I don’t do some kind of real training that I will get worried and start tying them down and feeling bad and letting loose only to tie them down again and repeat. It’s no wonder my 2nd grow hasn’t been optimal.
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You definitely want to train them. I always get better yield and quality from trained plants. LST is probably the easiest method, mainline being the hardest I’ve tried. There is also topping, super cropping, manifolds and all sorts of variations and combinations. The important takeaway is select a method, make a plan, and be ready to adjust your plan if something isn’t working.
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Well now wait a minute. Didn’t you just say I shouldn’t train until I’m experienced? Make up my mind. Lol! I tried some shoestrings, tiny clothes pins, and paper clips last time and it was too easy to constantly change their locations. I just received my line, which appears way too thick and has a pretty heavy duty wire in the middle, I also have a cloth lattice and was just going to whittle some sticks down to use as poles. Idr if it is mainlining or manifolding that I was most likely to do. The one where you remove the 1st and 3rd nodes and top it. Nothing to top yet though but the nodes are there on some, but I just can’t see using this wire as thick as it is. Probably about like the inside of an ink pen, the part the ink is in. Maybe a little thicker. Is what you have that thick?
I think he meant more so the initial training of mainlining you mentioned. But LST would be easier until you have better experience with the flow. So far they are definitely looking good though. How do feel this time around with the autos? My cotyledons stayed on for while before they started to die off. Yours look better than mine did at this stage for sure!
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I guess I’m not knowing the difference between LST and topping and mainlining. He will explain, I imagine. Seems to know his stuff and presents it in a way I get.
I’m am happy with all so far, but likely was last time too and the Autos got pulled and am still waiting for the Photos that I didn’t kill to seriously start to flower. We shall see. I am sure that at least they all didn’t die and I will end up with something from them. Not much, but that’s better than nothing at all.
Exactly after all the work and patience that goes into it, I’ll be happy to have something in the end. You got this girl!
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Shew. Just spent 2 days prepping the coco only to figure out I shoulda done twice as much. What a waste of 2 more days coming up. Lol! I’ll know better next time.
I was talking about mainlining specifically as a training method. At least what I’ve seen called mainline is a combination of manifold, topping and LST. You basically top then remove all the lower growth. Then train the 2 new shoots out and top them. then train the 4 new shoots and top them and so on to create a manifold. Because it requires you to top up to 16 times in relatively short succession it’s very stressful. I believe what you are describing would be a form of manifold and probably just fine if you are only topping once or twice. LST or low stress training is simply bending and moving branches to create an even canopy. I think the wire I have is 28 or 30GA which is pretty small. the inc cartrige in a bic pen is about 14GA by comparison. I like it because it is very flexable and easy to manipulate without damaging the tender branches. Plus the wire is fine enough to just poke through the fabric pot. No need for training pots with grommets.
Thats a #2 pencil for scale.
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Yeah, I think my wire is WAAAY bigger around. It was sold as for this purpose, but must not be for our tender younguns. I will likely just use my shoestrings, clothespins, and paperclips again. Now I am stuck with this wire. I will post a pick next time I’m downstairs if I can remember. I been trying to remember for 3 days now. Lol!
Idk which one I was wanting to do as far as the training. It’s whatever is on that website cocoforcannabis. My notes are also downstairs. My everything is apparently down there except for me today. Needed a break, I guess.
Welp, here’s mine. It’s actually a lot more soft and pliable outside if the packaging. Still kind of large. That’s a normal size skewer for comparison.
Ok. So up til yesterday I had my light fairly close to the canopy. Idk? Maybe 12-15". Then I raised it way up, like just over an arms length above. This morning this is what I had. Can you see how yellow, almost a florescent yellow, some of the leaves are. All of them are like that. That fact kinda makes me not be overly concerned. If only a few were like that I think I’d be more worried. I did lower the light back down some and will see in the a.m. what’s up. I would think it’s possibly a Nitrogen deficiency, but can’t be sure. It’s whole leaves that are like that. Any thoughts???
whatever works, If shoestrings and paperclips works for you then go with it. I think I’ve used similar wire in the past and I would agree that it would be great for tying big plants but it’s a little bulky for tender seedlings.
Since all your plants are showing the same symptoms I would start with environmental factors that are likely to affect all the plant’s the same. You have the Viparspectra P2000 On them? Since the problem started when you moved your light I would start there. What intensity is your light set to and do you have a tape measure get an Idea of how far your light is from the canopy? I use my arm since I know it’s 18" from my elbow to finger tips and 12" elbow to wrist. Did you dial the intensity up when you moved the light up?
Do you have input and output numbers for your last few feedings? Unless they just haven’t been fed enough I wouldn’t expect them all to suddenly develop a N deficiency all at the same time, but PH can cause yellowing. Have you had any changes in temp or humidity in the last few days?
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Thanks Dude. Yeah, the ties I used before did the trick, but were just too easily moved around and I get bored. Got this stuff because it looks more… Idk, permanent. Fixed, maybe. Keep me from playing around with them.
I think the same about it being that I moved the light. I just got up. Smh. The grand is gone for the weekend and I didn’t realize just how much he’s worn me down. AND my GSD put me through the scare of his life for 3hrs last night. I was just tired. Haven’t been downstairs yet to look at them. It was like 26" above and the light is on 50% making the dial on the meter sets between 5 and 6 at the top of each. Plus there’s a fan facing up and on the side of the tent, kind of to lesson the intensity of the heat. Moving that light is all I did different. I did notice that 3 or 4 of them had started taking more water to get the same amount of RO the past few days.
I do have the numbers and they have shifted from where before the out was about the same as the in, but over the past few days the EC has been about 300 higher coming out than what went in, but I thought that was what I wanted so was glad to see it. No changes inside the tent. Other than today I’ve been down there quite a bit and have kept the temp and rH right where my paper says. I stays around 75% and rH of 55%.
And how are you doing this day?
On my other grow that just recently finally started to flower, last night I had to clip most of their fans off. My GSD started acting and breathing real weird and when I let him out he rushed to my front yard and started fervently eating all the grass. When he’d eaten all there was there he moved to the back. After about an hour of this he was literally rooting down in there trying to find more. I had no more grass for him other that the fan leaves. He wound up getting about 400 off 7 plants before he started showing improvement. This went on for over 3hrs. Idk what he coulda gotten into as he was inside the fence all day, but I guess I love him enough to give up my entire crop for his benefit. Hopefully they will be alright. Especially with everything they put me through getting them to this point, but at the end of the day Capp is my puppy love and comes first. Idk what I’ll do when he goes. He was even born the very day that my Daddy passed.
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I’m doing well. For lighting I start with manufactures recommended height and adjust intensity to my liking. I think you could start at 18" and 50ish % since your in early veg. When the plant looks happy you can turn the light up a little and give it a day or two to see how it reacts. Repeat that process until you see some sign of light stress. Taking more water is just a sign that their roots are coming in. I think by this point you should be on full strength solution and numbers should start leveling off. to clarify 300 uS over input is the top of the acceptable range. So if it stays at the top of range for a few days it tells us that something is drifting out of ideal range. If your EC is pretty consistently 300 uS higher than input it’s probably close to time to transplant or add another watering and the using more water would seem to agree. Since your in plastic pots I would just transplant. That might help the yellowing too. 75 degrees and 55% RH is a decent spot. A little more humidity might help her grow a tad faster, but where your at won’t hurt at all.
I’m sorry to hear about your pup. I have dogs in stead of children so I get it. Plants can be replaced. When dogs binge on grass it’s usually because they need fiber or need vitamins from the vegetation that their food is lacking. when I see my dogs eating a lot of vegetation I add tablespoon or two of pumpkin to their food. It has lots of good fiber to help if they’re constipated as well as vitamins to help any deficiency they may have. Plus I have yet to meet a dog that doesn’t love pumpkin or peanut butter. I hope he feels better soon.
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Agreed. With all. I measured abd am currently 24" up, so I will lower some more. I am down here with them now. A little more perky than last evening, so that’s good.
Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that 300 over was perfect. I now know better. Here are my numbers for 7 days. Not all because apparently I failed to write a couple down and can’t find my papers.
6/1=in 1100 out 867
in 1200 out 946
6/2=in 730 out 1020
6/3=in 710 out 1130
then there’s an out with
no in at 1113
6/4= in 1100 out 1096
6/5= in 1310 out 1190
in 1330 out 1180
6/6= in 1360 out 1400
6/7= in 1390 out 1620
Well … I guess I don’t look very consistent the 1st couple of days. I guess it is what it is. Can’t go back, can I?
You know what? You are spending an awful lot of time with me and I truly appreciate that. Do you think I am making too many updates? Cause I will totally slow it down. I don’t want to monopolize your time. If I get on your nerves, say so. Ok.
About Capp, he is great now. He’ll be 8yrs old in August and has NEVER been so urgent like that. I get they eat the grass for their tummys and he has always had digestive issues anyway, but man!!! The way he was going at it! I’m telling you that I probably don’t have any more of that type of grass left in all my yards. I’m just glad he got through it.