Hello
I have done some hydro grows in the past but am new to soil and outdoor grow. Before, when I had some clones I just put them outside and put leftover water from hydro batches. But now I’m lost. I have general hydroponics flora bloom/micro/gro and calmagic and armor si. Where do I start? Any charts to share? Plants are indoors right now still waiting on 2nd.set of leaves but am starting to see some yellowing. Have not done any nutrients. On light schedule 10/12
Thanks!!
@pillsbury @neofirebird @Not2SureYet
Not sure who to tag for soil outdoor grow
So i used those exact nutrients in soil at first, i use basically the same now in coco-coir coir.
But this only applies in containers, ive no idea once in the ground.
But in soil, I watered with plain water for the first several weeks as the soil has nutrients at first.
I would test the tds of runoff and once it got below say 600ppm, i would begin to supplement nutrients to make up the ppm to around 800-1000.
It most often looked like feed, water, water, feed, rinse and repeat…
It was alot of work if im being honest 
Hope some of that is helpful 
Thank you. I am going to be putting them in 10 gallon fabric posts. Im not sure how to test run off, will need to read up. But sounds like I shouldn’t feed just yet. How often were you feeding ?
In 5gal grow bags with decent sized auto’s I believe it was around 5-6 weeks i started to feed, probably should have a little sooner.
Testing runoff is fairly easy but labor consuming.
Of course at first when in fresh soil that should have nutrients present. I tried to not get much water running out the bottom of the container when I would water so as to not “flush” away the nutrients naturally present.
After about 4-5 weeks I would water untill a good bit of water ran out the bottom and useing my tds meter, I tested the water that ran out the bottom (aka runoff).
If that runoff tested more then 600ppm, I knew it wasn’t time to supplement so I would continue just plain water a few times and test runoff again, at some point the runoff numbers will drop low and then once supplemental nutrients is stated its a good idea to get a good bit of runoff every time from then on weather water or feeding.
But typically once started, it’s feed, then water, feed then water, sometimes 2 waters in-between feedings. Just depends on what them runoff numbers look like.
I’ve got a old grow journal i think goes into great detail about how did it and how i did a log book with desktop calendar to help keep up with it all it was alot of work.
If they are going outside though where they can actually root into the ground, then runoff from that point isnt an option. .
So I’m clueless what to say in this situation.
Though I’m sure those nutrients can be used, I’ve just no experience other then basically useing it as drain to waist hydroponics once the soil is depleted of it’s nutrients
@MeEasy I think does organic outdoor grows. Could be somebody else I’m old & fried.
I’ve thrown a couple out of the growroom and kept them alive outside so I’m not necessarily the right person to help.
@jambi1214 I’m an organic dirty farmer. I could help you get something like that going outside with a premixed product I am using. It’s not great to get the dirt started after the plant is already growing but it is possible if you have access to some decent soil. I normally start with ff happy frog
I have only grow indoors and nver with soil… So not much help here. It looks like you are getting great help though. @Big123 @Caligurl @Oldguy all grow out doors too. 
Thank you. I got some promix organic soil and put this little guys in some larger pots to get them deeper as we were stretching a lot. but already, already starting to worry I’m not doing this right.
Just need to let them do their thing when they are that small. They shouldn’t need any nutrients for at least a few weeks. I’ve never used the products you mentioned so can’t say how they’d work in soil. When the plants are vegging it’s actually really easy to just add a balanced organic fertile like coast of maine platinum every few weeks and some worm castings. If they need more nitrogen, add something like bat guano. Low risk of burning the plant, super easy and no need to measure runoff.
Just don’t over water. The soil should be dry all the way to your second knuckle. Also water in a ring around their 'drip zone (meaning past the edge of the longest leaf. If they are stretching too much, lower the light.
Also, can you fill this out the best you can… if you don’t know just say ‘don’t know’
(copy and paste this text into your topic and answer as many questions as you can)
-What strain, Seed bank, or bag seed (photo or auto)
-Age of plant
-Method: Soil w/salt, Organic soil, Hydroponics, Aquaponics, KNF
-Vessels: Type and capacity of container (fabric, plastic, etc)
-PH and TDS of Water, Solution, runoff (if Applicable)
-PPM/TDS or EC of nutrient solution if applicable
-Method used to measure PH and TDS
-Indoor or Outdoor if indoor, size of grow space
-Light system List brand and wattage/spectrum
-Actual wattage draw of lights
-Current Light Schedule
-Temps; Day, Night
-Humidity; Day, Night
-Ventilation system; Yes, No, Size
-AC, Humidifier, De-humidifier,
-Co2; Yes, No
Thanks all for the info. May be over watering darn it. I feel so new with soil growing!!!
What strain, Seed bank, or bag seed (photo or auto) 24k gold from pacific seed bank
-Age of plant: 2 weeks
-Method: Soil w/salt, Organic soil, Hydroponics, Aquaponics, KNF: soil
-Vessels: Type and capacity of container (fabric, plastic, etc) currently in plastic container with plant initially in peet pots. Will go into 10gal fabric grow bags outside
-PH and TDS of Water, Solution, runoff (if Applicable) don’t know
-PPM/TDS or EC of nutrient solution if applicable n/a
-Method used to measure PH and TDS. Have better to use
-Indoor or Outdoor if indoor, size of grow space. Outside but will go outside
-Light system List brand and wattage/spectrum
-Actual wattage draw of lights
-Current Light Schedule about 14 hours on
-Temps; Day, Night. 60-70 f daily inside, 40-80 outside
-Humidity; Day, Night. Don’t know. Outside is 70-90%
-Ventilation system; Yes, No, Size none
-AC, Humidifier, De-humidifier, none besides central air in home. These plants are not in my tent
-Co2; Yes, No
Well, I only ph my nutrient solution. I only measure TDS and ph of runoff if I see something going awry. And actually, once they go outside, there is no way to measure runoff anyway so…
Also, being outdoors, they will consume a lot of water. I just hook my hose up to a Boogie Blue filter, use mainly dry amendments (unless they need something special). I try to amend the soil with the good stuff they’ll need.
Definitely, easy to over-water in soil. Really let them dry out before watering/feeding again. For nutrients, they will tell you what you need and most stuff you can find in dry form to amend with but use what you have too…it won’t hurt to mix up your water/nutients and water too… there will usually be something you already have in your arsenal that you can use if needed.
I corrected the stretching. And that seemed to have been resolved I’m only worried really about the leaves at this point and the yellowing of the leaves that starting already. But I’m not going to add anything and will likely put outside in the next week. We’ve had high winds
I will say this, I have about same set up as you do. This is my 3rd year with soil 60% great soil, 20 CoCo and 20 perlite. all organic. I have 5 gallon bags and 2 -5 gallon containers plus 2 -5 gal. buckets. at 2.5 weeks I put a cup full of worm casting on the girls. 0.5/0/0 thats the npk on bag. all 3 years I have done that, then I water around edge of containers never touching the roots with water if i can help it, makes roots spread out. Growing autos and during veg. state I just watch PH, no run off. The plants usually tell me if something might not be right. I usually let them droop a Little before watering. It’s been raining in South every week so I haven’t had to water but I am thinking a lot of the nitrogen and other food necessities may have been used up and washed out so this Saturday I am mixing up Fish waste, bat gum and ever else is in the new food I bought, it’s a 5-1-1 with rain water and putting a cup on each. So far running smoothly but a problem can surface outside at anytime. Only water I use is rain water.
