Greetings earthlings. Just thought I’d share a pic of a 38 day old cannabis plant growing in miracle grow potting mix and was fertilized only once before it even sprouted with miracle grow spring ahead formula. Supposedly it feeds for 6 months from just one feeding. It’s growing good but had to throw away all the rest of the miracle grow potting mix cause of odors causing health problems. Got pro mix hp to put the clones in. Might keep using miracle grow spring ahead fertilizer. The color of the leaves and growth shows it works good. I’ve seen lots of YouTube cannabis videos and they usually have to feed like once a month for organic growing with gaia green. Don’t really watch any hydroponic or other methods. Haven’t seen any videos about growing with miracle grow either. Thought this info could be useful, especially for those who want to grow mother plants and keep it simple. The spring ahead formula has npk but also has a bunch of other elements and in a form that would be found in nature. None of that edta or whatever else. Just things like copper sulfate ect. Plus, it’s miracle grow, which is formulated to grow food that people eat. How many fertilizers out there are known to be safe like that? Lots of crazy stuff out there. Gotta be careful. Oh, and what’s interesting is there are a bunch of little buggers around the plant and crawling around the dirt surface, yet I do nothing and the plant remains perfectly healthy. The plant is about 18 inch wide and 14 inches tall and just about 5 weeks from sprouting. Gonna take clones and use four 5 gallon fabric pots per 4x4 tent area to fill tent. Some leaves have 11 fingers.
Nice looking plant. Lots of side branching. Its going to fill out nicely for you.
Thanks. First time growing. I’m going to be taking clones from it. Might wait till Monday. Have you ever taken clones on Friday the 13th?
The main issue with MG is it tends to run very low PH which contributes to nutrient lockouts and deficiencies/excesses. The bugs running around are likely fungus gnats due to the water retention properties of the medium. Keep a close eye on runoff TDS and PH. Nothing you can do now like transplanting so just have to ride it out.
MG uses some pretty harsh nutrients and you may experience a fairly harsh smoke as a result. There’s a reason most of us don’t use this. That said; my first grow was in MG and turned out…sorta ok.
I heard about stuff your talking about regarding ph and nutrient lockout. I’m guessing the combination of fertilizer components and plain dechlorinated tap water keeps things growing. I’m going to put the clones I take from that plant into fabric pots with pro mix hp. The only reason I’m changing potting mix type is because the miracle grow potting mix gave off odor problems that caused me health issues. Nothing was even growing. The containers just had the mg potting mix and for some reason was emitting problematic odors. Pro mix hp is basically the professional version of miracle grow. In a sense, growing in a medium such as pro mix hp is superior but also similar to hydroponics. If you think about it, hydroponics works using water and air. A growing medium provides ideal “hydroponic” conditions to grow, without needing special formulations to get all elements in a solution without forming precipitates. That usually requires using forms of compounds that aren’t found in nature and end up in a product people eat and inhale into their lungs. I haven’t really paid attention but since forever miracle grow was the only fertilizer I heard of that is used to grow things that are safe to eat. There’s a level of comfort in get from using miracle grow I don’t think I’d get from other brands. Gaia green has ingredients that are known to be bad for the liver and the male population such as soy ingredients. You’d have to do your own research to find out why, but it’s real. An inorganic fertilizer with the correct formula and made to be safe to grow food to eat seems safest. Getting things like Gaia green you have no idea if it contains any trace elements required for proper plant health or your health. Miracle grow spring ahead has a wide range of elements listed right on the bottle in forms found naturally in nature. It’s a formula that I would make if I were to produce a fertilizer. There are a few elements I would add to make it more complete, like selenium and iodine, but otherwise it’s a pretty complete formula. The only other thing I’d change is the npk ratio, but, if we think about plants, the flowers are basically just more leaves very similar to fan leaves. As I mentioned in a different post, fan leaves have trichomes that go through the same clear to cloudy to amber transition as “flowers” do. Since the plant can produce all of those things; leaf material and trichomes, logically I wouldn’t need to change the npk ratio to anything different, and currently the npk ratio of miracle grow spring ahead formula is lowest in phosphorus. . The npk is 15-5-10. Which I didn’t like when I first saw it, but it works good and I’ve heard of outdoor growers using just cow poop which commonly is only around 1-1-1 or black cow fertilizer which is 0.5-0.5-0.5. so, compared to cow poo and considering it can produce fully developed good looking buds, seems i got more than enough npk and all the rest of the elements in a single fertilizer that supposedly lasts 6 months from a single feeding. I haven’t completed this grow, but it seems I figured out one of the simplest ways to grow. apply fertilizer once and then just water till harvest. I got fabric pots to take away any concerns about over watering, plus the root growth patterns look amazing compared to regular plastic pots so had to give em a try. The outside roots being air pruned makes it like a backwards kratky system by having the outside roots in air and the inside roots in water
is straight Peat with Perlite and Mycorrhizai. It will require supplementing.
I use it and it’s great stuff, but expensive. Coco works nearly as well. Look at using Jack’s nutes. Very popular here.
Thanks for the suggestion. I just looked up Jack’s and they use edta, which I don’t want in my plants. I think part of the reason certain compounds form precipitates is to prevent the plant food from washing away in nature. “Slow release” plant food is part of how nature works, plus it simplifies the process. If I need extra phosphorus I’ll just feed my plants some of my calcium phosphate supplement I ingest myself, which has a percent composition of around 80% phosphorus and 20% calcium. So, one gram would have approximately 800 milligrams of slow release phosphorus. Maybe one of these grows I’ll plant a legume in the same plant pot as a cannabis plant and feed it zero nitrogen and see if the legume fixes enough nitrogen for both
Do yourself a favor and look up Dr. Bruce Bugbee on YouTube.
Plants can’t really tell the difference between synthetic and organic.
I know. Either way they are eating inorganic. This is due to microorganisms converting organic matter into inorganic matter. Feeding inorganic skips the step of needing microbes to convert organic into inorganic, but doesn’t eliminate the need for microorganisms as inorganic insoluble compounds such as calcium phosphate which can be made in a lab or derived from animal bones needs to be converted into a soluble form the plant can suck up through it’s roots, which can be done via an organism producing an acid or by a double displacement or otherwise reaction which makes the phosphorus soluble. Just using a dilute solution of vinegar for a watering would assist in this process. Acids including vinegar are naturally produced in nature. Ever walk past a fruit tree at end of season when rotting fruit is in the ground? Smells of vinegar are in the air. Apple cider vinegar is the result of the natural decomposition of apples through the assistance of microbes which produces first alcohol and then the alcohol gets converted into vinegar
Looking good.
Um, think you got this backwards. Microbes break down unusable salts into more readily available nutrients.
Check out @Dennis62 journal. I believe he grows w/ MG with great success. He has it figured out.
Its the life that is the difference I believe. I have noticed a difference from before organic and after. Less issues strong living soil. Just my observations.
Mr Canucks or whatever his YouTube channel name is grows organic and has some of the best buds I ever seen on screen. He uses Gaia green tho. If they didn’t have soy products in their 444 I’d like the formation more. I’m waiting for my clones to grow roots or die and then if any survive I’ll be planting in pro mix hp and still haven’t made up my mind on what fertilizer. I want the fertilizer to be odor free. I think bat guano is odor free and smells like dirt but not sure if bat guano is a good idea. It has way better npk compared to odorless worm castings. Composted cow manure is essentially odorless but don’t really want it and only has 0.5-0.5-0.5 npk. Fish meal sounds nice but probably smells like fish. Chicken manure smells. There are odd fertilizers like frass and weird ones like cottonseed meal. I thought about getting fish meal and activated carbon and mixing it together so the carbon absorbs the smell but not sure how that would effect nutrition availability or other things like changing the pH from waterings. So, not doing that. Inorganic seems would be least smelliest while providing good npk and other elements. Which is why I bought miracle grow spring ahead formula and used that to grow my mom. The clones will have a new home and maybe a new fertilizer too. 15-5-10 is an odd npk to me. I’d rather do 4-4-4 from seed to harvest or better yet, a 5-5-5. Not sure if there is a formula out there I’d like tho. I’m pretty picky. If you know of any superb odorless organic or inorganic fertilizers, let me know
@Roadsideorganics.ok is what I use with great success. Only smell weed.
Heres our current run, thank you @Storm for the tag. We do simple organic style topdressings once every 21 days, keeping it nice any easy.
