I'm stumped! Are these the same strain?

I planted two Banana Kush autos and one began flower at week 4 and the other week 6.
The attached pics show the two plants at day 65, 5th week of flower for the early bird and 3rd week of flower for the other (9 weeks from seedling). The flowers of one plant look nothing like the flowers of the other and the early bird is much shorter/stouter. Except for size, the flower forms have not changed in several weeks.
Is it possible they are not both Banana Kush? If not any guess as to what they are? Thanks.


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No 2 seeds will ever grow the same or look the same just as in people just because my siblings have the same mom and dad dosnt mean we all look the same

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Corn field begs to differ

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Aren’t corn seed clones?

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You make a good point but if you keep working a line of Cannabis for as long as Monsanto has worked their GMO corn and you’ll get highly uniform fields of Cannabis too.

Even the highly uniform corn field exhibits phenotypic variation…it’s just not nearly as obvious.

How many hours do we spend staring at two phenotypes of Cannabis side by side, up close and personal…how many have done the same with two phenotypes of corn?

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As others have stated it is just the nature of cannabis for plants to be different. We see this question at least once a week and often more than that. Large commercial growers use clones for this reason as the plants will all be the same. Color, leaf shape, short/tall, bud structure are most common variants. Breeders have worked to stabilize the effects of the strain so they will smell and give the expected feelings for that strain.

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No they don’t.

My family is farmers… as in award winning farmer of the year in two different states. This is how I grew up, and live today.

You have outliers all over the place in corn fields. You’ll just never see them unless you go looking for them. And as @StickyFrostyBuds said, the GMO process used for corn has a long history, and is a different process altogether.

100% of autoflowers are hybrids of at least two types between either Indica or Sativa and Ruderalis. Most are all three. Which of the three expresses dominance?

I’ve grown 50 of the same seeds, same batch, soil, water, climate… everything. There’s a slight variance in all but a few will express sativa and some more Indica. The closer to a 50 / 50 - Sativa / Indica hybrid, the greater the chance of expressing either way.

A wise man listens and evaluates. :wink: :four_leaf_clover: :love_you_gesture:t4:

I promise I’m coming from a place of love brother, I was you. I believe because of my arrogance (not saying you are, but I was) a couple of REALLY knowledgeable guru’s have blocked me, and I don’t blame them.

When I look back a couple of years, I’m a bit ashamed of some of my comments, which at the time I didn’t realize were so bad. Don’t make my mistakes. That’s what these guys do, try to help others avoid mistakes they’ve made and learned from. :+1:t4: :four_leaf_clover: :love_you_gesture:t4:

They’re not perfect and neither are we, but damn what a resource at our finger tips. :star_struck:

Edit: Wow, just realized you joined in 2022… uhhh don’t know what to say. :sob: I thought you were a newb. :frowning_face:

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I just googled “Phenotypes in corn plants” and OMG its worse than cannabis.
What a rabbit hole that is. Universities use it to teach Mendelian Genetics in classrooms.

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I was just making a joke. I grew up a farmer literally in the middle of thousands of acres of Midwest corn. I know there’s a bit of variation from plant to plant, but hardly noticeable upon casual examination. I do think that weed “strains” are often overstated and many of the crosses are a long way from stabilized to the point of consistent phenotype. I would also not be surprised to find out that some seed suppliers are not all that particular with their pollination and seed handling and that people may very well be growing different “strains” even though they ordered the same seeds.

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Haha you smart ass lmao thousands of acres of corn sound like NE or IA im from the corn state myself so ibknow a couple things about corn haha

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Lol in that case…good one!

one thing I’ve noticed is that sarcasm doesn’t seem to translate well on the forum. Maybe because people are usually looking for answers vs. shooting the breeze. Dunno maybe I’m the one who’s soecial lol.

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Not just this forum thats the internet period, people read things how they themselves would say it i think

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LOL, through some similes in there, sarcasm and dry humor gets lost in text real quick. Gets me in trouble a bunch. :innocent:

I really do have an Uncle who was farmer of the year in one state, moved and achieved farmer of the year in the next state. My cousin, his daughter, put herself through college counting bugs in peoples crops and recommending which pesticides to spray.

He had a university surgically implant ports into the side of some of his cows so they could study the digestion abilities of different grasses. I help pull samples and place them in liquid nitrogen vessels to await pick up.

Pretty wild stuff for me.

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Based on looks alone quite possible.

But I swear, I grew some WW with most looking typical. One look like a seed got mixed in from some sativa strain. I harvested it separate and kept it separate. When smoked it smelled tasted and had the same effect of all the rest of the WW. Still baffles me how it could grow and look so different but the end product be identical.

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Have you ever heard the term “pollen chucker”? That’s what many upstart Cannabis breeders are today IMO.

You can’t just cross 2 strains and expect any kind of stability in the resulting population…especially if you’ve reversed a female to make fem pollen…but that’s what many seem to be doing.

I can buy pollen right now from several breeders (in house genetics for example) or i can reverse one of my nice females, but would i dare seed another female and sell those beans to the community…not likely…the result, even if it was compelling, would need to be worked.

Many of the packs ive purchased over the years seem to have come from that exact scenario…5 beans pop, 5 completely different phenos , 4/5 hermi lol.

That said, there are some incredible breeders out there that put in the long hard work…

Theres an interesting recent strain hunters vid on youtube where Arjan talks about how the USA Cannabis market is really built on only a handful of original genetics and the proliferation of what we have today is a cluster of phenotypes from these original strains, prone to hermi. I can’t comment on the validity of that but it was interesting.

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