When I started my new indoor grow I decided to go with organic soil. In my 5 Gallon fabric pots I’ve added 30% happy frog (on top), 70% ocean forest (bottom).
I was told ocean forest is too hot for seedlings but great for veg and it wouldn’t be a problem during flower because soil would dilute by that time, say by week 5/6.
My grow is at Day 27, I’m seeing pre-flower, but now there’s a big problem. Take a look.
I’m seeing signs of nitrogen toxicity. Tips are curling down. I noticed this after my last watering. I don’t use fertilizer being that I’m in organic.
I’m pissed. I don’t want the plant(s) to die, what are my opinions? Should I flush? Would that make it worse. Then I thought maybe to add Mycorrhizae thinking it might protect my root system, but doesn’t Mycorrhizae assist the roots to uptake more nutrients from the soil? I also hear you can top dress with sawdust and that may neutralize the excess nitrogen. …or just leave it alone, take it day by day to see if she adapts to the soil?
What are my opinions? I don’t know if she will handle the nitro going forward or if she’s going to yellow out and die. Arrrggg im pissed.
She dosent look that bad from what i can tell but im still learning so i would let one of the more experienced growers see if they see anything best of luck bro hope it turns out for you🤘
I give no fertilizer. The last thing I gave was a little Mycorrhizae “recharge” and very little cal-mag. Yes, I lift pots and use a soil moisture meter to confirm soil is dry before watering.
I’m curious how hot soil is. Only way to know is water to run off and check ppm or ec. If you do that get ph also.
Other than that it does not look terrible and the nutrients will keep getting depleted as time goes on. There should be enough for 3 more weeks. On one hand I wish it would be sooner. On the other hand you have to start feeding then.
What nutrients are you going to feed at that point?
Would like to avoid a flush if possible being organic.
Maybe we can get some other players over here. @Myfriendis410@Storm
My plan is to keep it organic. When soil nutrients depleted my plan was to use the following.
Down to Earth Organic Langbeinite Fertilizer Mix 0-0-22 for the Potassium feed.
Down to Earth All Natural Seabird Guano Fertilizer Mix 0-11-0, for the Phosphorus feed.
…and Realgrowers “Recharge” for all around health.
I figured ocean forest had a lot of stuff in it, so being that these are autos, not to purchase a blended fertilizer/bloom mix and keep it organic. I knew ocean forest is hot, that’s why I used 30% happy frog as a buffer/seedling stage as I sow’ed my seeds in the 5 gallon. No transplanting.
I don’t water heavy. Being that they are growing faster instead of giving only 9 oz of water to each plant like I’ve been doing, I doubled it to 18oz of water for each plant which is pH’ed to 6.3 - I usually water close to the stem, this time I watered the whole medium to the buckets edges.
I hope they adapt & recover. Don’t think I’ll be using ocean forest ever again. I think in the future I’ll be using PRO-Mix HP-CC Mycorrhizae High Porosity Grower Mix.
I do have an ppm/ec meter, haven’t tested run off because I don’t water heavy as of yet. Also have a pH meter. Will check next time I water. Which I can do tomorrow cause soil is dry, but I will let them dry out more to see if they respond in a positive way.
They are definitely‘clawing’ at the tips. I’d just stick to the routine and let her naturally work through the hot soil. She won’t burn if all of the current conditions remain. Adding regular feedings would have been an issue with the plant already slightly exceeding her nitrogen tolerance. Just my humble opinion. Good luck.
Another thought is be sure to let the soil dry out between watering, overly watered plants lead to so many different issues. It’s crazy how many separate issue share the same symptoms. Sometimes it’s just a trial and error experiment diagnosing and solving the issue’s.
Did you put extra perlite in the soil. If not maybe don’t water to run off. That could activate more nitrogen. It would happen even with perlite added but would not take as long to dry out.
I know you’ve got this. Just stressing. The one thing you absolutely don’t want to do is have a smoke the stress will pass. Hang in there.
Trying not to stress, hopefully they will recover. I been using only 9oz of water for each plant, watering at the base. This time I used 18oz of water and went further out to the end of the bucket edges, this excess water is the reason the plants were introduced to more nitrogen.
Yeah that’s why I did it… figuring roots r stretching being that the plant is getting taller. I guess the nitrogen is more concentrated on the edges being that the soil in that area was never wet before. Now all of a sudden the plant got an extra dosage of nitro from it. So hopefully next watering will dilute the nitro a little more.
I dont see anything wrong. Some strains are just green. My nutes are @Roadsideorganics.ok . Soil life wont increase uptake. Soil life will REGULATE uptake. No life…no organic grow. Just the appearance of organic/living soil but still just good ol synthetic…
Same color as yours. Add the life. Dont flush. Ride though a bad ammend. Use photos. Just my thoughts. Moist soil always. Never dry out for organic life.
Your ladies are looking mighty fine @legalgrow Just wanna give you my 2cents, help maybe with the stress. I am a learning grower and I’m working with some unfamiliar nutes right now.
I currently have 3 autos going in a mix of approx. 90% FFHF & FFOF, 10% perlite all mixed together with a little worm castings to boot, all blended together instead of top and bottom. I started them off in their final 5 gal home (with a dixie cup size center of 50/50 FF Little Warrior and the mix mentioned above). First one to begin flowering was at Day 31 and I had just top dressed with dry nutes 4 days earlier (probably shouldn’t have ) I’d used half genenral (veg) & half bloom (flower), so I’m sure my soil at this point was loaded with N. Oh, I also added a little more worm castings, ha!
I, like you, have been watering in ounces, stepping up as I go, watering away from the stem with no run-off as of yet. At this point, I was at 32 oz.
6 days later, watered with 40 oz, got 2 oz run-off to check status, it was hitting 3740 PPMs. whoa!! She never showed the bent tips like yours, but then I understand different phenos uptake nutrients differently. I have a photo in the same soil mix that had heavy symptoms of N toxicity for most of it’s veg life next to another that got nute locked, I had to mini flush the darn thing from 2890 PPM down to 1320.
But, anyways, The Autos are all doing just fine imho. Getting fat and packing on some weight. They definitely survived the hot soil so far.
Implies it was from the high PPMs. No, I was battling a pH issue with her, hence the mini flush. I’m learing to water with no run-off, keep the soil moist.
This is hard to learn, lol, for me anyway, especially when they’re young in a 5 gal pot. @Storm What medium are you using, If I might ask?
Moist soil always. Never dry out for organic life.
This is what I’ve been told and been doing with using 9oz of water every few days. Keeping soil moist
while balancing, trying not to overwater and it’s been working great. Now that I gave the 18oz of water and spread the water to the edges of the pot, instead of hitting the stem, and boom…noticed this change, nitrogen toxicity. Being organic life didn’t want the roots to dry out if they’re stretching towards the buckets edges.
I know cannabis roots go straight down/vertical to the bottom of the pot, once they hit the bottom they spread out horizontally. Didn’t want those roots to get dried out. Cause organic/living.
I have 2 photos waiting for me to plant. Cant wait. In my past did lot better with photos outdoors. This is my first indoor grow and chose auto cause of the quick harvest. Seems ruderalis are little sensitive compared to photos. Dammmm ditch weeds =)
I use a basic organic potting soil. Little or no ammendments. I add worms, worm castings, epsom, perlite. @Roadsideorganics.ok dry nutes. Some sort of life. Cook a few weeks then plant. I occasionally over ammend. Eyeballing. Just ride it. STRONG life will cure many ills man. I also reuse it. This batch of soil is over 2 years old. Cannabis is tough. I have saved plants most would give up on. 1 thing that helps is I am a stress free grower. It dies I just plant another. It has issues I fix and leave them be to recover. I never freak out. I laugh and say"well shit"
Photo are as quick as auto. Can flip soon as mature. Can start 12/12 from beginning. Will flip themselves when ready. Smaller than vegging photo long but match auto in size.
Short veg
I don’t see any issues maybe little over watering not much @legalgrow you want to keep your organic soil moist you don’t want it drying out for long periods you got to feed your soil in organic worm castings compost and tea’s
) I’d used half genenral (veg) & half bloom (flower), so I’m sure my soil at this point was loaded with N. Oh, I also added a little more worm castings, ha!
