I start with a 5-gallon bucket of water that is left out for at least 2 days to get rid of chlorine put 2 air stones in the bucket and run while I get stuff ready I add silica or calmag directly to the water and let it mix itself I don’t mix other than air stones running
Then add part A and it mixes while I get epson ready then add epson this I usually let mix about 10 minutes then add part B and let that mix a bit then I PH the solution all at once then feed the plants
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I am now needing to use 2 buckets to mix as I have Old Dirt bag needing feed and New Dirt Bags Not needing feed.
I cut me some length of tube yesterday and got out a couple new air stones I have soaking in water right now to get off all MFG dust parts.
I think about Fish aquariums and pumps and there has to be some benefit even at the Plant level as we all need air to survive. I am sure the measurable results will be minimal but why not I ask myself?
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Spank ster,
Are you finding the fluid interval getting shorter as the grow progresses? I have been on a 5 day interval but bags are feeling light going into 96 (4 day).
Wondering if drying them out completely will promote root growth/ seeking or does it slow it for no fuel / moisture so to speak?
I think my last grow I might have been watering with bags slightly moist but not really knowing how it affected the grow. Going to Probe the bags in a couple places with cheat moisture meter to check just too make sure I am feeling things correctly.
Plants are looking good and buds are forming nicely. Barring operator or equipment SNAFUS I think this is going to be an on point Grow.
Yes
When I transplant to new pots currently using 5 gal for this grow I pre wet the soil for a couple days and let sit then transplant to new pots and water around the plant it usually takes about 7 days before I see wilting I do wait until wilting to promote root growth and feel the weight of the bags and also use probe to check moisture level then after about 2 more watering’s it starts drying out faster by a day at a time until I’m watering every 2 days
I do make sure it is completely dry before watering again by first using probe so I don’t have to lift each pot then confirm by lifting up
I wait until after probing several spots in each bag the meter says dry
I try to only let it dry up enough to wilt the first time for root growth then not do it again as I feel it slows growth
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Update 6 OCT (Day 39 Above Dirt)
Added fluid on 4th day instead of the normal 5 day mark as previously done once I had them in the 3 Gal Fabric Bags. It has been hot last few days so I am unsure if it is weather related or just if the plants are more thirsty. I defoilited all 3 plants, but the new dirt plants I have experimented a bit with a more full trim of the lower branches and let one grow a bit. I have a feeling those will be fluff buds on the lower areas of the plant, but going to see what happens between New Dirt 1 and New Dirt 2 bags.Found a leaf with some concerning spots but still pretty dark green.
20% Run off Achieved at approx: 112-120 FL OZ
Old Dirt PH In: 6.0 Fed at Bloom and ripening on Label of Trio Full strength
Old Dirt PH Out: 6.3
Old Dirt PPM Start off water: 103 PPM
Old Dirt Bloom and Ripening Lines on Trio Bottle Full Strength Feed In: 1100 PPM
Old Dirt with Feed: 1790 PPM Out
20% Run off Achieved at approx: 112-120 FL OZ
(New Dirt Bag 1 has Heavier Defoliation of lower branches) New Dirt Cal Mag Only No Feed
1 ML of Cal Mag Per gallon Per label directions. No Feed, Only PH Down.
New Dirt Bag 1 PH In: 6.8
New Dirt Bag 1 PH Out: 5.8
New Dirt Bag 1 Start off water: 115 PPM
New Dirt Bag 1 After Cal Mag: 200 PPM
New Dirt Bag 1 Run off: 2780PPM
20% Run off Achieved at approx: 112-120 FL OZ
(New Dirt Bag 2 has Less Defoliation of lower branches) New Dirt Cal Mag Only No Feed
1 ML of Cal Mag Per gallon Per label directions. No Feed, Only PH Down.
New Dirt Bag 2 PH In: 6.8.
New Dirt Bag 2 PH Out: 6.0
New Dirt Bag 2 Start off water: 115 PPM
New Dirt Bag 2 After Cal Mag: 200 PPM
New Dirt Bag 2 Run off: 2610 PPM
Lamp Height: 24” above approx. various canopy heights, adjusted
Lamp Wattage: 168w
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Looking good
all plants have good color numbers look good 1 leaf I wouldn’t worry about keep doing what you’re doing! 
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My rookie mindset tells me to feed those new dirt plants but my run off numbers are still way north of 1000 ppm.
Would you still base initial feeding off that close to 1000 ppm threshold?
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Yes I would keep,feeding. 
1000 is not too much
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Beautiful plants, man!.. I’m on my 3rd grow as well and also like to trim ‘em “high & tight”… Keep doin’ what you’re doin’… Cheers!.. 
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Your PPM numbers for new dirt plants are above 2500 plants looking good you would be taking a big chance slowing them down and possibly burning them I would wait until numbers are around 1500 maybe only 1 more straight watering then start with half dose and see how they respond
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Great minds think alike, Urr… or was it stoned minds? Anyway…
I was thinking I should stay the course and water the “new dirt” next time but I was uncertain about the proper ball park time to feed number was. I am rolling with a 1500 ball park-ish. Got it!
Out of curiosity when you flush at the end (Happy Frog) what “Net PPM” are you trying to be reading with your PPM right before you chop? You are still trying to zero your PH to 6.5 on the final flushing? Are you usually doing 2 or 3 rounds of flush on 5 gallon bags?
Hope I didn’t jinx the grow talking about the chop, LOL…Trying to stay focused and pay attention to the temps / heights etc.
I was thinking at this rate for the “new dirt” bags, I will be at the Chop before I get a chance to fertilize them, LOL.
30 plus days without having to do any feeding…It is a testament to the quality of Happy Frog Dirt to me anyway.
I don’t have the renegade set of balls to try and pull off a @Dennis62 and grow some beautiful buds in Miracle Grow, LOL. Dennis does have a knack for growing Killer buds on the Cheap. My kind of Guy! 
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You don’t flush because of soil type you flush based on nutrients used as far as I know someone correct me if I’m wrong.
PH does not matter to much when flushing before harvest you are just trying to get PPM low or even locked out of nutrient uptake
Some increase PH for flush to lock out nutrients and let the plant eat what’s left in the leaves.
I only water for the last week after trichomes are were I want them per Jacks feeding schedule
You are right around the corner to start adding nutrients they say 4-6 weeks before needing nutrients when using FFHF soil
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I know from my last grow I need to be really focused in on a proper Flushing / leaching/ finishing up the Grow.
I am still in Rookie grow status and I had one of my trash “Outside/Inside” plants I had outside and then moved inside last grow I did not finish up properly with the finish. I could taste that somewhat bitter “Fertilizer” taste on the tip of your tongue when you took a toke on that plant. Did it stop me from smoking it? 
Hum…I just came back and looked at my Grow journal #2…those had 1100 PPM at the chop so…I just learned a lesson. PPM at the end needs to be less than that…LOL
I did a grow round 1 batch last time totally indoors which I harvested in April and that is nice and aging and smoking well but did not record PPM at the end of those 2 finishing. I had yet to be educated on PPM at that time.
I find that It really is a 3 stage process Grow, Dry, Cure and you need to be focusing all the way down to 62% RH before you can let your guard down.
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Are you still planning on getting another C vault for cure?
I looked at them and decided it was to much money so I bought some cheap rubber maid take a longs from Menards less than $4 for 2 and it was the best cure I have had so far they worked great (they are also reusable for the future cures)
I hung them for 5 days before trim then small buds went into 1 container and large into another with a RH meter after sitting overnight all were around 68RH except for 1 that was 58RH with only a few small buds so I took some big buds and combined in again overnight it came out to 65RH then slowly went down to 62 and in grove bags sealed them with flat curling iron and they have been in a box in a closet inside the house (the only buds in the house by the way) and there is no smell after 3 weeks
I would have had to purchase 7 big C vaults or combine different plants in the same containers
Hope this will help someone
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I think your on to something Spankster. I may get a set for the upcoming cure. I do see where sizing the buds together can simplify the curing. I really like the Cvaults. They are of sturdy quality… but I bet that Tupperware is food quality and I doubt it would effect flavor unless you had them baking in a 110F car in the sun for a week. I have read that some say it effects the taste but I think storing in a dark cool place won’t present that problem, or maybe 5 years from now, LOL. Will you eventually move them to the Terplock bags or are you just going to roll with Tupperwear?
I have seen here that there are alot of different Grow Tribes here on the forum. I am just trying to pick the best pieces that work for me.
Cvault is more of a long term storage but definitely like that idea you got for the cure.
Are you staying with dirt or have you migrated to coco for future grows? I see nothing but Happy Frog in my future.
Spanky,
I see your shop. If you ever decide to get rid of those tents. Build out a rectangular box 8 ft tall out of lumber in the back. 2 doors on your box. One with sign Men other Women. Out of order sign on both doors. Buy that shiny stuff 4x8 pieces for inside and you could have two rooms 4x4’ and never have to worry about the what ifs…
Or 4 boxes… signs. Automotive parts or whatever…4x4x4x4
Then put a sign on your front door all labor rates are $500 per hour to make sure nobody ever set foot inside your bldg, LOL.
slowly went down to 62 and then into grove bags sealed them with flat curling iron and they have been in a box in a closet inside the house (the only buds in the house by the way) and there is no smell after 3 weeks
I would not keep them in plastic containers it is not totally sealed but great for slow dry to get to the proper RH before being sealed in grove bags
I will eventually try and probably go Coco but I’m trying to design an auto water system first for when I can’t be around every day
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I would like to move out of this Fxxxed up state so don’t want to make something like that here
Grandkids are keeping us here for now hopefully when they are all in school we can make a move have to wait and see
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Coco seems pretty hands on, but if @Hellraiser converted then there must be something real good about using it. I have to go cheap out of choice.
Seems real “hands on” to me where dirt is kind of just,… “Wet and Forget” about it for a few days as long as you have a timer.
Initially I really wanted to try Deep Water Culture Bubblers, but I have such crappy city water and the potential to Crash and Nute burn Hydro to the grow to a point of your crop being nothing but a bad memory in the matter of minutes makes me want to stay Happy Frog. My self imposed space is too small also, so I like my chances with 3 as opposed to 1 plant also…
I have never attempted 3 in this 22x22 but I see a potential of but rot possibly in the mix as I am seeing 55% RH in actual bedroom where my 4" intake is, but 70% RH in grow chamber / interior converted linen closet. I just watered the bags yesterday so I have a couple gallons of moisture in there as it will dissipate over next couple days. Needless to say just something to keep an eye on.
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Just keep the underside cleaned up for good air flow and add another fan once buds start getting weight on them oscillating right on the buds
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