Here we GrOw Again (ILGM- Wedding Cake Autos)

[Work4iT]

Update 18 OCT (Day 51 Above Dirt)

Ended up with Run Off Numbers that have evened out a bit. I am way above the chart 1000-1400 PPM values. The Plant with Dull F-D Leaves (#3 New Dirt) Got 50% of Label strength. Not sure if that was a good idea. Going to find out.

I never use CAL Mag unless it is just water day, but I have been micro dosing these so I have not been using it when I mix the Trio Nutes.

Today I just added some Epsom Salt to the water buckets. 3 gram per 3 gallon and 1 gram per 1.5 gal in to day with the .50% and .25% feeds I had going. I have it broke down below.

I will be the first to admit I don’t know a lot about growing weeds, but figured the dosing would be small enough to get recovered somewhat before the chop. I hope. I will keep a better eye on the next few days. Been getting stoned too much.

I raised lights to 24” up from 20” Lamp still at 168 Watt Max, but I don’t think that was the problem.

I got rid of the angle iron brackets on the wall in my 22x22 as the plants are competing for space inside the closet and I have some plant touching the walls not real happy about that. Did not want branches butting up against the iron. I am strapped in, and going to see what happens with 3, and I hope it ain’t bud rot.

I need to do a better job of looking at the plants between watering. I find myself only looking at the Infinity Monitor most of the time. Need to get in there and rotate the plants in the AM before the lights come in.

Last Pic the plant with bad leaf (most cut off) is closest to the door.

Today’s Numbers and Previous Run Off:
Old Dirt Bag 1: Fed 0.25% Label on bottle following the “Bloom and Ripening” Line on the bottle.
Start Solution PPM (RO + Tap): 116 PPM (Added 3 Gram of Epsom Salt to 3.0 Gal of Solution)
Feed solution PPM with Flora Trio Nutes, No Cal Mag: 560 PPM
PH In: 6.3 No Adjusting
PH Run Off: 6.4
Today Run Off: 1570 PPM
Note: Previous Fluid Event Run Off: 1380 PPM

New Dirt Bag 2: Fed 0.25% Label on bottle following the “Bloom and Ripening” Line on the bottle.
Start Solution PPM (RO + Tap): 116 PPM (Added 3 Gram of Epsom Salt to 3.0 Gal of Solution)
Feed solution PPM with Flora Trio Nutes, No Cal Mag: 560 PPM
PH In: 6.3 No Adjusting
PH Run Off: 6.2
Today Run Off: 1830 PPM
Note: Previous Fluid Event Run Off: 1940 PPM

New Dirt Bag 3: Fed 0.50% Label on bottle following the “Bloom and Ripening” Line on the bottle.
Start Solution PPM (RO + Tap): 101 PPM (Added 1 Gram of Epsom Salt to 1.5 Gal of Solution)
PH In: 6.1
PH Run off: 6.2
Today Run Off: 1930 PPM
Note: Previous Fluid Event Run Off: 1650 PPM

With Today’s Run off Numbers, I think I want to go water and Epsom Salts next fluid event here in four days. Opinions from the Weed heads? @meeasy @spankyjr1 @Hellraiser @Beardless @caligurl

On the Epsom Salts Just to clarify, 1gram per gallon?

[MeEasy]

They are looking great as for the numbers I don’t mess with them at all and haven’t for awhile so I’ll be no help there, I mean I could try but there’s no need with the others you tagged they will be much more help
You put a space in the tags of somebody but you fixed it before I looked back to see which ones and let you know

[Caligurl]

Your output numbers are fine… the soil just still has nutrients in it. The plants show no signs of deficiency or stress. You can add Epsom again if you’d like. You really can’t over do it, but it just takes a small amount each time…

I’m with @MeEasy. I stopped looking at output tds and ph. I only check if something looks off. Saves a lot of time. I still check input numbers though

[Work4iT]

I think that for me I have so few Grows in the can that it is helping me make sense of what I am seeing. Want to see how that plant with the leaf issue reacts.

I think these are going to bulk up and make some good buds. I smelled the terps… got that whiff today while I was watering.

I was surprised to see the new dirt have the leaf issue.

I did notice by run off PPM that the initial watering how one fabric bag got the hotter mix out of the same FFHF bag.

Although the current grow is not perfect I am learning and liking what I am seeing for the most part.

Wedding Cake is a nice smoke. I like it.

[Work4iT]

I scanned your thread a week or so ago. Nice looking Tent Show. Looks to me like you been growing weed for awhile.

How you doing physically? I read you were having to go in for a procedure. Hope all is well with you, Brother.

Weren’t you selling a house at the same time…?

[MeEasy]

Yeah bro thanks for asking, I started growing in 83 or 4 can’t remember but in the past 15 years I’ve been in a fight with my health I’ve probably only grown 7 or 8 of the past 15 years I’m working on my 4th straight year now growing inside the house all the other years were out in the woods. I did move this year after 2 cancer surgeries and have been going through treatments off n on most of the year

[MeEasy]

I’m growing in living soil now so I don’t check anything on a regular schedule just once every couple months I’ll go through the numbers just for my piece of mind. It’s dry amendments and water

[spankyjr1]

@Work4iT

With Today’s Run off Numbers, I think I want to go water and Epsom Salts next fluid event here in four days. Opinions from the Weed heads?

IMO I would still go 1/4 dose nutrients and epson @ 1 gram per gallon
The numbers are not to high and the numbers only tell you how much stuff is in the soil not which nutrients are still there and you wouldn’t want to starve them of something that is not left in the soil
At this stage of flower they should consume more than the 1/4 dose and the numbers should continue to go down

[Hellraiser]

Yeah I don’t chase runoff numbers, and you’re not in the danger zone, I’d keep feeding at no less than 700-750ppm every watering, flowering plants are hungry.

[Caligurl]

Agree with @Hellraiser

[Work4iT]

Read everybody’s reply. I appreciate all of your time and value the free advice. I will stay the course with the feed. Took note of @Hellraiser 's suggested input PPM. Going to roll with those numbers…

The plant I had the bad leaves on does not appear to still be generating anymore like those. Still has some leaf tip problems.

Plan on Collecting the RO tomorrow. Will get some current pics on Friday.

[Work4iT]

Update 22 OCT (Day 55 Above Dirt)

Tomorrow Closes out Week 8. I look at the Flora Chart and it shows 1000-1400 as their preferred PPM zone for week 8 Run off Numbers. (Disclaimer Looking at Photoperiod Chart- these are Autos). Going to keep my foot on the accelerator and push the numbers a bit.

Decided to remove some more of the lower branches as they are poking out and touching the Grow Walls of my 22x22. Light Haircut for all the Girls.

Taggin my Grow Buds on the Message to see if I can prod any comments from the masses.

@MeEasy @beardless @spankyjr1 @Caligurl @Hellraiser

Today all plants receiving 0.50% label strength of Trio following Bloom and Ripening line on the bottle.

I was mixing solutions in 2 different buckets so slight variation on Input numbers.

Plants shown (Pic #1) in the hallway are from Plant #1 Left to #3 Right. Plant #1 is the Recycled Old Dirt. Plants 2 & 3 started off with Fresh HFFF Dirt.

I added slightly over a 1 gram per Gallon of Epsom Salts per gallon. Plants 2 & 3 are getting the Dull Green Look, but I don’t see the re-emergence of too many messed up leaves on Plant #3. Plant #1 Old Dirt’s Height has caught up with the other 2 New Dirt Plants. Today. Old Dirt Plant #1 Leaves look the best (Darker green) to my rookie Grow eye.

Today’s Numbers and Previous Run Off:

Old Dirt Bag 1: Fed 0.50% Label on bottle following the “Bloom and Ripening” Line on the bottle.
Start Solution PPM (RO + Tap): 108 PPM (Added 2 Gram of Epsom Salt to 1.5 Gal of Solution)
Feed solution PPM with Flora Trio Nutes, Epsom Salt, No Cal Mag: 720 PPM
PH In: 6.1 No Adjusting
PH Run Off: 6.4
Today Run Off: 1530 PPM
Note: Previous Fluid Event Run Off: 1570 PPM

New Dirt Bag 2: Fed 0.50% Label on bottle following the “Bloom and Ripening” Line on the bottle.
Start Solution PPM (RO + Tap): 97 PPM (Added 4 Gram of Epsom Salt to 3.0 Gal of Solution)
Feed solution PPM with Flora Trio Nutes, Epsom Salt, No Cal Mag: 796 PPM
PH In: 6.3 No Adjusting
PH Run Off: 6.1
Today Run Off: 1940 PPM
Note: Previous Fluid Event Run Off: 1830 PPM

New Dirt Bag 3: Fed 0.50% Label on bottle following the “Bloom and Ripening” Line on the bottle.
Start Solution PPM (RO + Tap): 97 PPM (Added 4 Gram of Epsom Salt to 3.0 Gal of Solution)
Feed solution PPM with Flora Trio Nutes, Epsom Salt, No Cal Mag: 796 PPM
PH In: 6.3
PH Run off: 6.3
Today Run Off: 1760 PPM
Note: Previous Fluid Event Run Off: 1930 PPM

Next Week according to the chart Week 9 the Run Off Target Numbers according to Flora Chart should be Week 9 Target Range= 1050-1400 PPM

Seeing Chart info I am thinking .25% Dose next round or Water and Espom Salts. Trying to figure out a plan for those Dull Leaves on Bags 2 and 3.

Any thoughts or Opinion from the Grow Crew?

[spankyjr1]

IMO all numbers look good plants looking good wait until you see how they look tomorrow and decide if you go 1/4 or 1/2 dose next feed
Stacking nicely!
How many days into flower are you?

[Work4iT]

Spanky

They started to Flower 26 Sep. Start of
Week 5.

Begin Flowering- 26 Days Ago

I will look tomorrow. I can see one needs to read the T leaves growing these little weeds.

The numbers are a good learning tool.

[Caligurl]

They look good to me…

[beardless]

Looking at the plants and matching pH & PPM numbers I would have guessed #3 (far right in hall) would have had the lowest pH & highest PPM. However, this is not the case. No. 2 in the center has the low pH. Goes to show what I know. However, 6.1 is getting on the low end of recommended pH range for soil. You are doing what you need to do by tracking the numbers and correlating them to the plant’s appearance and overall health.
If I did anything it would be to increase the pH going in to 6.5 - 6.6
I don’t know if you have one of these but this is one I like

pH-Chart.pdf

[Work4iT]

Brother @Beardless.

I see the chart you provided shows the target is 6.4 to 7.0 for dirt growers. In the past I see when my PH is low the amount of the Blue PH Up seems excessive, meaning a couple drops does not effect the value much.

I have not used PH solutions much since I have started mixing my chems first then Checking the PH. For along time I was mixing my chems out of order, plus I was trying to set PH on Rev Osmosis water with not enough solids in the water to get a proper reading first, then adding chems without rechecking before using the solutions on the plants. I was trying to set my PH then add chems. That coupled with under-watering and build up of Salts/Fertilizers in the root ball area were F-ing my leaves around 30 days. I totally understand that now.

I did read that on Grow Weed Easy I think they quoted dirt at 6.0-7.0 and stated that being wildly thru that range 6-7 that the plants would do better varying the range as the plant may need the higher or lower numbers depending on the various chems in the fertilizer mix.

Question if your PH is low…do you find yourself needing to use much more of the Blue (UP) than you do using the orange to bring PH down (Orange)? To me the Blue UP does not seem to increase the value Up very much. Is this normal…when you have to bring up PH?

I was worried about adding unnecessary PPM to the Mix and being in the 6-7 PH range I did not try and bring to the 6.5 'Perfect" for dirt range…I saw the semi low input numbers.

I think seeing how I am mixing 4.5 gal, Next time I will try to do the mix in one bucket as opposed to using 2 if they are all on the same Mix input value. That bucket with the 1.5 Gal always stays PH lower (6.1-ish) after the chems added. Less room for mixing error also.

I line up all the plants this AM for morning formation. The plants all took the 0.50% trio label well. I no longer see the Rich Dark Waxy leaves when they were young, but the plants are about 35 days from Harvest. Do you lose some of the dark waxy look towards the end of the grow?

Plants in order. #1 is closest to the camera.

Yesterday before feeding

This Morning looking at the plants (Below #1 Far Left)

I keep thinking about @hellraiser Quote…the Plants are HUNGRY during mid flowering so I am inclined to hit them on 26 October with another .50% that will keep the solution around 700 PPM for input.

Looking for my Grow Crew to chime in on my next event strategy (.50% Label feed). That is my inclination, and I will lock that in as my choice for Oct 26 until I am swayed differently by my Grow Buds.

@MeEasy @spankyjr1 @hellraiser @Caligurl

[MeEasy]

I can answer the up n down question the up is just not as effective as the down so there’s nothing wrong I’m sure there’s a more scientific answer but it’s been that way since I started using it is the best I’ve got
As for feeding in flower I always push them for the first 6-8 weeks of flower and that’s with food and light then I start to back off my light which makes them less hungry plus they slow down drinking on their own… the timing changes there’s no set day it’s like everything else in growing every grow is a little different than the last… now that I’ve gone to organic it is a lot more laid back changes happen slower

[Work4iT]

@MeEasy

In flower I always push them for the first 6-8 weeks of flower and that’s with food and ligh

Easy,

Are talking about Photo Period Plants, and is that 6-8 weeks from when they popped up in the dirt or when you saw them first flower? I am still trying to figure out the Grow puzzle.

What is you strategy for you feeding these little firecracker autos?

I want to make sure I finish up right. I want to press the limits also. I have to maximize my grow time with Weed in the can to smoke. I never plan on turning down the wattage from 168W.

[spankyjr1]

@Work4iT

I am inclined to hit them on 26 October with another .50% that will keep the solution around 700 PPM for input.

Sounds like a good plan