Not at all! Just want to be clear, lol, no worries bro! I kinda lost faith in microbes with coco so I don’t really use at all anymore. 
Lmao, if it doesn’t smell is it really doing anything? I think the worst smelling supplement I’ve used was photosynthesis plus. 
I used that when i first started growing and youre are 100 percent right lmao
So is the short answer yes you can mix jacks and recharge together all at once?
Yeah you can
Those look really fantastic!
Me to 
Many people use them and do have success, then there’s plenty that don’t and also have success.
It seems perfectly obvious to me that they aren’t needed 
I have a hypothesis what keads to this and also people useing multiple boosters or different sorts and add ons…
People start growing and do ok, then the next grow they add a few things and do better.
Then the next grow they add something else and so on.
Each grow gets better and better so it apears that the add-ons are makeing their grows better.
I don’t think many people consider the experience they are getting as there watering habits or growing techniques improve leading to better grows more then adding products.
I’d about bet money alot of grows that have multiple bottles or microbes in coco-coir would probably see little to no difference in their grows.
Basically it’s the growing getting better rather then finding a magic ingredient 
But just my thoughts anyways, success is all that matters I guess, no matter how you reach it 
Thank you 
Yes you can
Many people think there is no benefit using microbes with synthetics. Simply not true. Is it not as efficient? Would certainly think so based on data read. But certainly still helps!. Even bruce bugbee said microbes still help and are beneficial in synthetics. They work better in organics ya bc there is more for them to do and to breakdown. But does not mean they do not help in synthetics. Just not as efficient. 60$ for a bottle of fishshit for a grow is nothing in terms of how much u harvest.
I can see it helping to a degree. Like uva. Or boosters. But I don’t understand how it can break down already available nutrients. The way I do it, it would be an annoying add on. Some of my best results in coco has been through simplification. I have a shelf full of microbes. Maybe I should just get the comparison out of the way, utilizing clones. With and without.
@Low Clone experiment would be informative. As you said, with clones. For 60$ for fishsh!t, im not going to skip when in the grand scheme of things is not alot. They say silica not needed in coco either. But for 20$! Im not skipping. To each there own. If it helps even a little, when getting a well over a pound, not going to skimp out. I run the uva as well but based on this conversation im sure your not surprised lol. Even if it gets ne 1% extra, im not going to complain. Last run tested at 24% for gdp and listed at 23…did it help? I would like to think so. Should add uv to the clone test to lol.
I’m on board bro. My UVAs are 4’ long so in a small controlled test I’m not sure how I’d be able to do that for 1 plant. Lol.
Will try to work the test in eventually. Could be fun!
My uva is pretty long too. 30w hlg xl. I would love the results tho. Only real way to know is the test!
Last run I did half the table with uva. Didnt really notice an uptick on the side receiving. Not clones, just variety. I’ll consult you if when I can get this under way
I added a hlg uva30 to my current grow (primarily due to a deal i got) not sure what to expect or if i should expect anything noticable.
It works great for my plants and i use synthetic fertilizers …i totally agree with this…i get good stinky buds using Jacks 321 and Recharge
To touch on that, depends on the silica. Traditional silica needs microbes to be used by the plants. Sililic acids/oxides are readily available. A lot of the silica on the market is now in acid or oxide form. There is a difference with silica in coco for sure, I only say for sure because I defoliate heavily and frequently. While using silica I noticed it wasn’t as easy, leaves were thicker, leaves wer harder to pinch off than usual. I’m not in it for the stiffness, just hoping that the benefits regarding disease and wpm are true. Silica that needs to be broken down would require those microbes. Microbes are only there to break down nutrients to make them available to the plants. Synthetics skip the digestion and are consumed directly.
I think a lot of these products are used so frequently that a lot of growers don’t know what will happen if they went with out. The more I increased in plant count, the less need I had for additives, and through removal I’ve seen nothing but positives.
thinking the thing that has been most noticeable is genetics. Which vary from seed to seed. Some will say the product did it when it was just genetics. A lot of you farmers would probably surprise yourselves if you tried omitting and keeping it basic. You won’t know what’s what if you aren’t running clones. So either the additive gets praised or the plant gets shamed. It’s all genetics.
Here’s a bag shot. No microbes what so ever. Didn’t even use mycos
Just jacks and silica. Keeping PPMs between 700-850 the entire run.
I used to use microbes religiously on a weekly basis in coco. Had a whole line up dedicated to that one day. I praised them, regurgitated the readily available information and trusted that I HAD to have them. Recommending them to everyone. Lol. 
$60 for fishshit
$20 for Si is $80 in add ons.
They may give some benefits but thry certainly aren’t necessary to grow in coco-coir to have nice yeilds of fire.
It cost me about $20 total in nutrients each grow to stuff my 4x6, 3-3.5lb harvested each cycle…
Check out what I grow with only General Hydroponics Maxi series.
It certainly doesn’t hurt but for me it doesn’t make sense to spend $80 more
I still use both Si and microbes in my soil but not my coco-coir.
Sometimes I do use pesticidal microbes like bacillus amyloliquefacien in coco-coir as they are useful for protecting the plant from environmental stress and bad microbes, but nutrient cycling or nitrogen fixing microbes are basically useless in a sterile setup.
I ran all sorts of stuff in the beginning because it’s what everyone said, but here we are years later and I’ve slowly dropped stuff and have only saw improvements in my grows over time so it’s hard for me to be convinced they are much benefits when I had no impactvon my harvested after dropping them.
I’d encourage any grower that got a few smooth grows under their belt to run a plant or to with out any and see what the difference is.
I’d bet money they be surprised
I run lot’s of clones and one of my flower tents has uv and the other doesn’t.
My most tasty and colorful weed comes from the one with uv, I’m totally convinced it help pull color and can improve terpines for sure 
Could not have said it better my self.
This has been my experience exactly.
