Purple Lemonade Auto looking pitiful , need some assistance please

Light: 18/6 AglexM240 + Viparspectra P1000 25 inches from canopy.
Temps- 75F 58 RH%
Medium: happy frog , perlite.
Soil pH: 6.3-6.7.
3 gallon fabric pot with lift and catch trays
This is in my DIY made mylar tent it’s 4.5x4.5x6’.
I’ve used slight mixes of Cronk nutrients. Grow, monkey juice and GH calmag. Never anything over 500 ppm as of yet.

So, here it is. Got this Purple Lemonade Auto from fastbuds. It’s currently day 33 right now. It just entered flowering a few days ago. This thing looks pitiful and I haven’t watered it last Jan 23. I am waiting for it to dry back really good because I’m afraid maybe this is a watering issue? My next watering I am going to water to slight run off so I can measure the ppm because I haven’t done that as of yet so I’m sure of the runoff ppm. But all the information I have is above basically. I’ve been watering when I think the plant is light enough. Problem is this plant honestly has looked a bit pitiful since pretty early on. I’ll add pics for context so you can see. I’m kinda stumped on this as the two autos on each side of this one are doing pretty great! This one not so much. Is this nitrogen toxicity , too much watering? What do you guys think? Thank you in advance. I know this community will come to me with on

Thanks in advance. I know only solid answers and advice will come from this community. Rock on :call_me_hand:
PS- the last couple photos of what the plant looked like in earlier development if that helps at all.

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To me it looks like she had a rough start and got stunted, but is trying to rebound. One thing I noticed in your post is the not checking out ppm. Have you never watered to runoff, or just haven’t checked? In soil you should be watering to 20-25% runoff and keeping an eye on what’s coming out.

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You may be right about the original stunt. So Ok within the last month I’ve gotten way more meticulous with the numbers and measuring because I’ve got to many plants this run not to do so. I do measure run off pH/ppm with all my other plants it’s just this one has been so finicky for weeks and I thought ok maybe over watered so don’t soak it to run off so I just decided to give it regular calmag water just a bit not to soak it now I’m trying to let it dry back really good. Then I will water to run off and measure and go from there … how does that sound?

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Ah got it. One note is that overwatering is watering too frequently not amount of water put in. I’m sure someone more experienced will come along and help get you straightened out.

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At 30 plus days old it’s probably just now depleting it’s pre-charged nutrients from Fox farm soil. I’m not familiar with the nutrients that you say you’ve been giving her but she’s probably been a little over fed.

She’s probably stunned as it should be double that size at 30 days old.

This particular strain from 4: 20 fast buds gave me the biggest fit of any plant that I’ve ever grown. It stayed yellow droopy etc. after tons of research I found out through reviews of the seeds that this plant was extremely nitrogen sensitive

Unfortunately I didn’t find out until week 5 of flower when I adjusted the nitrogen she finished perfectly. I cut back the nitrogen by about 35%

It looks like your plant has a little more going on but I just wanted to make you aware of it s nitrogen sensitivity from this breeders purple lemonade.

This was mine in week 6 of flower after just realizing the problem. As you can see I lost 90% of her leaves due to this but she finished perfectly.

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Well wow that would make sense why the leaves look nitrogen toxic…

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It is already starting to flower in the swirls and twirls of those leaves. . Have the other ones also started?

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Yes they all started flowering around day 30 . Here is a picture of a plant right next to this problem one im posting about lol

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This is the plant today. Looks even worse! I let it dry back good and just watered. thing is looking horrible . possibly got stunted early on. just watered after I let it dry back really good. So I got to measure runoff pH run off was 6.67 and ppm was 1700. next feeding will give plain calmag water …not sure what else to do for it at this point.


Did they look thirsty to you???

water
1.) What type water are you using?
2.) What’s the PPM of just the water?

Feeds
1.) When did you start feeding this girl?

2.) Exactly how many times have you added Grow, monkey juice to your water/feeds?

3.) How much nutrients are you putting in to each gallon of water?

4.) How many times per week are you watering?

Run off numbers
1.) What week did you start watering to runoff?

2.) How much water do you give her each time you water?

3.) what are the last 3 feeds runoff numbers prior to last feed in PPM and ph

4.) on your last 3 feeds tell me exactly what and how much you mixed into your water ml per gallon both PPM and pH

No the soil looks nice and wet. She looks extremely overwatered.

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Tap water 300 ppm.

I started feeding it Jan 9 very lightly around 500 ppm. Then apparently I fed it three more times with 5-600 ppm(monkey juice and Cronk grow and calmag) with a couple plain water breaks so perhaps it got stunted from overfeeding to quickly? I did a slurry test of my soil and it is measuring 400 ppm 1-2 inch of soil surface. I watered it today and run off was pretty high at 1700 but pH was good.

This is my first time I’m watering to run off and measuring the run off. This attached picture should definitely help answer a couple questions for you. Thank you


What day did she pop the dirt?

What day did you put her in a 3 gallon pot?

Are you using the nutrient manufacturers Auto flower feed chart when feeding her?

Based on what I’m seeing you started feeding her nutrients since the first week that you put her in the dirt. Happy frog soil should have carried you all the way up until this week (34 days) without feeding her one single thing but water.

This is not good for an autoflower. The fact that you were not running off just means you had a huge buildup of nutrients. Autoflowers require very little food they’re not like photos. Having so much nutrients in your soil is worse than not having enough.

What happened
You simply overwatered her and overfed her for some time now.

So what has this done
It’s a high probability that she’s permanently stunned. However, you’re now entering the stretch phase for this poor autoflower. If you get on top of your feeds and watering habits and she gets through the stretch she could be fine. You’ve got two weeks to make absolutely no mistakes.

What should I do now
I want you to pick your pot up right now. You just fed her a whole pot of water she should feel like a gallon of milk. Does it feel like a gallon of milk when you lift her up right now?

Next, everyday you’re going to pick her up. You’re not going to feed her until you lift her up and she feels like a loaf of bread

Your plant needs sufficient dry time to uptake oxygen. Without oxygen she can’t do anything. The only way to uptake oxygen is during dry time. (This will take days)

This morning when you ran off 1700 PPM indicates she’s got sufficient nutrients in her soil. So the next time you feed her you’re going to give her tap water with calcium magnesium (Cal mag) then pH the water to 6.5 and feed.

Next water/feed
You’re going to use the following…
When you were plant Fields like a loaf of bread grab a bucket and mix exactly what’s listed below…

1-1/4 gallon of tap water
3ml Calmag
Mix well
Now pH to 6.5

Now, document your feed mixtures PPM and pH (your feed intake). Once you’ve written these numbers down proceed to feeding your plant slowly until all the water has ran off.

Your 1-1/4 gallon of feed should run off many cups of runoff water that’s what you want now measure and document your runoff’s PPM and pH.

Come back here, post your intake feed numbers and your runoff numbers and tag me in the post. We’ll go from there.

Note
Everything listed above take no shortcuts. There’s a possibility we can turn her around. She’s an autoflower so there’s no room for additional errors. Auto flowers don’t recover very well. Remember, a loaf of bread

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just fed her a whole pot of water she should feel like a gallon of milk. Does it feel like a gallon of milk when you lift her up right now?

Next, everyday you’re going to pick her up. You’re not going to feed her until you lift her up and she feels like a loaf of bread

This is exactly what my watering method basically is . I think perhaps the issue as you said is too much nutrients early on, which one time was a mistake where I misread my log and didn’t realize I just fed it last time. Maybe that’s what did it. In any case I will wait until it’s light as a feather to water next and keep being religious with my readings . Which I usually am with all my plants but this one.

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Not Looking any better today .

This picture should help you with what I’ve done. . .

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So you watered her yesterday and today?

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No I watered yesterday once. Run off ppm was 1800. I kept watering until I read 1100 ppm run off and pH was , 6.68.

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You scared me there for a second. So you flushed to 1100 yesterday?

I thought you simply watered her and got a 1700 PPM runoff

If you flushed her down to 1100, then when she turns dry (loaf of bread) you’re going to need to feed her and not just water with Calmag…

Let me look at your feed chart real quick
Just to ease your mind, you’re not going to see a quick turn around change on her for at least a week

Is this the nutrients three pack that you have?

Yes I did I initially then after thinking for 10 minutes after that watering I thought why did I stop at 1700 ppm. I should just keep watering until run off is 1100 and that’s what I did. It was maybe 10+15 min apart I watered them like that. . Didn’t think it would make any difference. That it would do more good then any harm

Close!! The nutees are Cronk Bonnie and Clyde line up. With monkey juice and sticky bandit. I use gh calmag liberally. I also use flower fuel as a bloom booster but I’m not even there yet so