@Metalheadfred
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen this with Happy frog soil and it’s never an issue. As long as you keep phing your water to 6.5 on the feeds you’ll be ok.
If for some reason you continue to have any type of yellowing or lock out symptoms the 100% simple fix would be advanced nutrients. I’m confident you’re not going to have to resort to that
@Metalheadfred
One thing to keep in mind with your plants current feeds runoffs they are at the low side. Droopiness could potentially continue until your next feed when you got your PPM numbers up.
Thanks @Lostgirl im keeping my fingers crossed that they pull through:crossed_fingers:
I cant even bring myself to post the final pictures from last night…er this morning…they are so bad:smile:
hopefully i can post something positive over the next couple days. The defol was good opened up alot of space in the middle of the girls so hopefully that helps as well.
See how this all finishes up but i may switch to the AN ph perfect for the next run. Funny thing(or not lol) i was up in the air on whether to go with the AN or jacks when i was switching from the ff trio. From everything i was reading, seemed like the jacks was the easiest from start to finish, so i went with that😒
I also use jacks at little different ratio then what others around here use
I have had run off numbers as low as 5.6 starting out and the plants look and do well. If it drops below 5.5 you start seeing lock out. I don’t know why either and i have done a bunch of slurry test to confirm it’s always within a point or 2 of runoff
I also don’t go by results of the first low numbers or high numbers I see in runoff, I wait and confirm with 2 or more of similar results as long as I don’t see any issues
IMO nothing wrong with those numbers in this soil
I started with the trio and didn’t like flushing so went to jacks
How much runoff do you normally get?
If I add 8qts to get a little runoff I’ll add another qt or 2 to get a good sample and a small flush of salts
I don’t do this every time once a week usually
@Metalheadfred
Jax is a very good line nutrients. Advanced nutrients take all the issues of pH and make them irrelevant. The fact that I’ve never had to worry about pH or just my pH is totally worth the money of advance nutrients. I’m a simplified person
You’ll be just fine
@spankyjr1 i get a little under a gallon of runoff(5gal pots) at every feed.
Was tired of the flushes as well and switched to jacks for the same reason…but here i am flushing again:smile:
Ill just run with the ph numbers as they stand for the rest of this grow and see how it pans out.
I don’t think you need that much runoff or that often
I would get some microbes (recharge or similar) and MKP (or flowering nutrients) in your next feed since everything has been flushed out
I also use tap water 160ppm and 8ph and don’t PH my water or feed. I do let it sit a few days and then aeriate to mix my nutrients
Full feed is around 950PPm and 6.5-6.7PH for me
Water/calmag days goes in around 8ph
I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do or how to grow this works for my setup just sharing information
@Lostgirl still not pretty but showing some progress
First pic post flush(the one i didn’t want to post the other night) 
Today at lights on 
Wedding cake(back left) desperately needs food. Well, they all do obviously but she’s the worst-case. Estimating she’ll be dry by Wednesday. Wedding cake (back right) wasn’t happy getting spread out tonight
A little honey and a bandaid 
I backed the lights down to 80% while they’re in recovery. Crank em back up next watering.
Thanks again for the advice and encouragement 
@spankyjr1 as well👍
Hopefully have some better pics soon!!
The difference between the first set of pictures and the second set of pictures are like day and night difference. They look great.
It’s important now to dial in on the runoff PPM for each individual girl feeding them to obtain and maintain 1,000 PPM runoff.
Since you’re in 5 gallon pots I would continue to mix 1-1/2 gallons per feed per girl to get sufficient runoff. Continue to pH to 6.5 going in.
I know some of your soils pH after flushing didn’t stabilize at 6.5 (I would keep my close eye on this) should any of the plants start to show signs of the deficiency you may want to go to plan B to rectify the pH (advanced nutrients)
As I’ve said before, I’ve seen this weird pH with Happy frog soil and generally nothing ever becomes of it. Just keep your eye out.
@lostgirl Do you think it would help to increase the ph of the next feed(s) to 6.8 or more?
Sometimes manipulating the numbers like that will work. I’m not a big fan of doing it personally. (I was told not to)
Nevertheless, if you’re going to test the theory do it to the one plant that was like 6.0 runoff. I say this because you’re 6.3-6.4 plants are in range.
Do it a couple of times and see if you can get that one plant to level off at 6.5
@Metalheadfred if you have some zip ties or electrical tape them bandage won’t hold for long my friend happy growing
Question @Metalheadfred when you mix your water after you ph it how long do you let it set before using
Thanks @Reed71 ill get her fixed up at lights on this afternoon
@Reed71 i usually water right away after adjusting ph. Should it sit for a while?
Yes i would let it set for hour or two you want to make sure your ph is locked in
Why it sets keep checking the ph you might have to adjust
@Reed71
ill do that for next watering and see if it holds. If it holds ill go ahead and water, if it needs adjusting do you let it sit again?
Thanks for the tip
Yes til it locks in my friend happy growing
@Lostgirl
So these were the numbers from the first watering post flush:
2/5
Wedding cake (back right)
In
Ph6.9 Ppm1110 ec
Out:
Ph6.29 Ppm1210 ec
Apple fritter (middle 2gal pot)
In
Ph6.6 Ppm1100 ec
Out:
Ph6.58 ppm1540 ec
2/6
Biscotti
In
Ph6.9 Ppm1108 ec
Out:
Ph6.27 Ppm1340 ec
Wedding cake left
In
Ph6.9 ppm1108 ec
Out:
Ph6.1 Ppm1080 ec
Banana runtz
In:
Ph6.76 Ppm950 ec
Out:
Ph6.31 ppm1200 ec
All were bone dry before water. Went in a little high on ph to counter the low issue and it seemed to help on all except the wedding cake back left. Within 30min they were all severely wilted. Always wilt bad after watering(except 1 time which i noted in my journal) but extra bad this time. They would typically perk up within 1 to 2 days but this time they have not.
This was them on 2/6
Todays numbers 2/8 for the two that needed water. Without a true “calculation” to use i kinda guessed but wound up pretty decent on the numbers. Still a little hot on the apple fritter but she actually seemed to prefer the higher numbers in early veg so…
Wedding cake (back right)
In
Ph6.6 Ppm850 ec
Out:
Ph6.3 Ppm1040 ec
Apple fritter(middle)
In
Ph6.54 Ppm702 ec
Out:
Ph6.67 ppm1310 ec
Other 3 will need water tomorrow.
Picture from today
Thanks
