Our baby, a random seed that we got to sprout

You can get the cfl or a T5 and hang the light’s so that’s it’s only 3 or 4 inches form the plant will help it from stretching as Matt stated way to go @Matthew420
and if you ever have a question…well you all ready know lol

And thank you @bob31

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The Grow Bible would be a great for the both of you to read. Great info on growing and the Guide link as well



We moved her last night after dark into the room where she sprouted. She’s under “daylight” LED and CFL makeup lights. Then at dawn I moved her back to her window in the sun.
Here’s the time lapse setup, just my old iPad set on time lapse.

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Oh, and I got the grow bible, it came via email. Now to study…

Her look at the sun on her second day.

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Baby girl number two just popped her head out, five days after we moved the sprout into her soil.

Welcome to the forum!

I think you’re mistaken about having 12hrs of light, unless you were only referring to your artificial lighting. I got confused because you mentioned your temps getting so high.

If you want to grow under lights, I would suggest a longer light cycle to start. For high temps, you could add a yucca extract. Aloe may work too.

You could search “yucca” here on the forum and read up on the benefits. Suppose to work really well for heat problems. I believe kelp may also help, but not quite sure on that. Someone else could verify or discredit the kelp.

You’ve found a great community here. We’ll all do our best to make sure you’re happy with the end results!

Happy growing! We’re right here with you…

I don’t see any pictures for some reason.


@Matthew420 @Oldstoner @FloridaSon @Countryboyjvd1971 The first twilight is about seven, as is the last, giving, I know, not full straight on sun the whole time, but twelve hours of light. In addition, she gets full on indoor lighting from grow lighting and some higher kelvin cfls. The makeup time, as I call the time she isn’t in the sun but is still under light, ends at one AM and starts at seven AM (in case I sleep in).
The setup is two four foot tubes, a forty watt grow light and a forty watt daylight fluorescent tube. In addition is a daylight makeup light LED and a CFL. The enclosure has a white wall on one side, very bright white paper used for making patterns in metal, posters, etc, on the bottom and one end, an eighteen egg white egg carton on the other end, and some silver Mylar coated insulation rolled over the other side and the top.
As the sun shifts north I’ll use the indoor lights less and the sun more.

Thus far for this project we have expended no money, save electricity and water. The pots were old ones, the dirt was a mix of alluvium from some local desert formations, and “used” Miracle Gro or similar potting soil. By used I mean it endured two years of desert sun and water cycles with no growth. I added several tablespoons of coffee grounds and mixed it well.

For fertilizer we’ve been using urine at about ten to one, except during transplant when she got twenty to one.

There are no pictures at my wife’s request, I simply have to describe what’s happening.

So, since my last update, a lot has happened. Our second baby was somehow upside down, or lost its very first leaves, because we got a bare green stalk that struggled for days before becoming mulch.

Our original baby has just started sprouting her “seven leaves”, we saw roots yesterday so we transplanted today and she’s living in the sun, which is luckily cloud covered today. Fresh mixed fertilizer around her edges and a full watering, then let her sit. She has a mild purple tint in the right light, and since we suspect that this might be Granddaddy Purple, it seems to fit. Or we are seeing things after a bowl. But generally she is bright green and loving life…

As I sit here it is about 73 degrees, so she’s been outside with me for a few hours. When the temp drops she goes into her garden window, usually with the sidelights open at least a crack, until sundown. We’ve been doing time lapse photography of her and it is cool to watch her look for and follow the sun. She’s only outside if the temperature is over seventy.

Thanks for all the replies, even reading up on this doesn’t end the questions, so knowing about the resource is quite valuable.


:wink: The questions will end the same day you become a candidate for use as fertilizer…


Ok, yesterday was transplant day, and she looks happy and healthy this morning. My question here is water. I read about 20% outflow, which I interpret to mean that I put water in until roughy a fifth of it runs out the bottom. Is this correct?

After that, I wait until it is dry an inch under the surface before I water again, again getting the 20% runoff. Is this correct?

It took four water bottles (2 quarts or liters) of RO yesterday after the transplant to get runoff, bit this morning it is still damp near the surface of the soil. After I transplanted, I shook mulch on top of the dirt to help keep the soil shaded and because I didn’t like the way the transition from existing pot surface to the new soil surface looked. so I’ll need to check two inches down from the current soil level.
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Maybe I’m the wrong guy to ask because I water until the soil is moist, regardless of runoff. I don’t pay any attention to runoff unless I have a reason to be checking it.

Others might say otherwise :slight_smile:

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We wait for them to dry some for oxygen content in the soil. The roots, in soil, will drown and rot with too much moisture.

The runoff is to make sure the bottom of the pot has enough moisture to encourage root growth throughout the container.

Young plants don’t require as much water which is why a watering schedule is just a basic guideline. Having just transplanted and watering it in, you may not need to water to runoff everytime. Others can correct me on this if they disagree.

I personally don’t add any mulch until the days get hot. I’m not saying this is what you should do since you’re wanting to conserve water. Except for most of the world taking our water, the lack of it isn’t too much of a problem for me. I can walk to the river and get spring water mixed with nutrients from our swamps.

I will water also to soil is nice and moist cand only water till I get run off if I feel the need to check ppm or ph
wait till soil is dry before watering again
Maybe pick up a soil moisture meter to help you determine when to water
I wait till I have about 1/2 way on moist level indicator between dry and wet reading 1/2 way down my pots before I water or feed again
This works for me

A couple of days after transplant, and no signs of shock. She is shooting out leaves, as soon as the first seven-leaf popped up, she started putting them out at the bases of the three-leaf and five-leaf. We thought they were sex organs at first and were rejoicing that they were long and thin, but alas, only leaves. The leaves themselves are getting quite large, but the original round leaves and the first serrated leaves on the bottom aren’t increasing in size, as if the plant knows that they will be shaded and not of much use soon. Amazing adaptation.

Looked into aloe and yucca. Aloe contains “aloein” which tastes bad but is good topically (think sunburn cream). The taste applies to bugs that might think your plant is food, thus your plant tastes like aolein and is inedible. I’m not sure about smoking micro-milligrams of aloe, but I like it on my skin, and I don’t yet know if this will be a long term solution or not. Yucca has some qualities which improve water “wetness” and help with heat and pest resistance, but we decided not to go out in the desert and harvest a living plant to get a couple of grams of material, so we are thinking of other ways to get some without spending money. Our budget, which I have miraculously managed to stay under, is still zero. Has anyone else harvested or otherwise acquired yucca root?

Aloe was easy. I cut some, harvested the goo from our landscaping, smashed it into water (think mortar and pestle), making a very thin mixture, and applied it to my tomato :tomato: plant. The tomato gets everything first in case it damages it. I poured the mixture on the leaves, letting it drip off them onto the soil below, then around the pot a couple of inches from the edge. I then added a pint of RO on top of the stripe of aloe mixture, very gently watering it in.
The tomato responded by shooting out new leaves (I took pictures to verify growth) so I did the same with our girl, who responded the same as the tomato.

I also added coffee grounds to her diet. The N is long release, and they add acidity and mulch to the soil. Again, first the tomato plant, then our girl. I used the grounds from my morning K-cup (there’s a lot of grounds in there) and mixed it into the top inch of soil. Water will gradually percolate the nutrients down to the roots.

Fertilizer application, at least for the moment, is around the rim or near the rim of the pot. I do this to promote root growth outwards and also maybe help prevent burns if I screw up. The water will carry it throughout the pot so the plant gets food, but the roots will want to seek the better nutrients and will expand, reaching further more quickly. At least that’s my theory. It certainly works for orchard trees, and very well.

Her light schedule is like so: 7 until 7:15 artificial light from the “box” I made, at 7:15 until about 8 she has partial sun, then full sun until about 6:45PM, dimming to partial and then sundown (I let her see sundown daily, the time lapse shows her reacting to the sundown event much more than the sunrise event). We aren’t sure if it is important to the plant or not, but based upon her reactions we are going to let her continue to watch the sundown. At sundown she goes back in the box for artificial light until 1 AM.

She lives in one of three places, the light box at night or when there are visitors; then during the day the garden window, as she has for the past two days; or the back patio. We had several days in the seventies and eighties (yes it’s February, this is Arizona) so she stayed outside with us on the patio until the weather turned cool at night, then back to her garden window for the evening, but now it barely gets into the high sixties so she just gets the window. The sun comes in the top of the window hitting her with uninterrupted light, albeit filtered through the glass. There are sidelights that I use to control the temperature, adjusting them several times a day to cool her off without getting too cold.

I’ve run into something of a dilemma on watering and feeding. The fertilizer needs to be watered in, but the plant doesn’t need water, the soil is still damp two inches down (one inch of mulch on top) as it is at the drain holes. I compromised and used a measured amount while feeding, one pint. She seems to like it, so I’m going to just let her dry to the next feeding. Maybe😂.

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I believe you could do a foliar spray if the plant needs nutrients, but not water.

As for the taste of the aloe, I’m not sure that the flavor would transfer through the root system. I wasn’t even thinking about applying it to the visible parts of the plants. Shouldn’t be a problem in veg, but I never spray anything on them once they flower.

I didn’t realize aloe was good as a pest deterrent. I’ll have to look into that more since I prefer to stay natural in my pest control. My mention of aloe and yucca was thinking of the soil and root system only. I’m sorry I wasn’t more clear before.

I also like how you test on your tomatoes first. Seems like a good practice to be in.

Would the entire yucca plant have to be taken? Root pruning is often beneficial for a plant, though I don’t know how the yucca would react to it. You could dig up some of the outlying roots for your purposes.

If you did have to take a whole plant, you could process the whole root, dehydrate and store the powder. One plant could potentially give you years worth of an additive that will help your crops endure the heat you get.

I have plenty of aloes. Perhaps I should get a couple yucca going too. I’m not sure if my higher humidity requires the additional help for heat stress, but I think there may be other benefits as well.

I love low budget growing, being a poor man…


I did put it on the leaves, both as nutrient and “flavor enhancer”, as well as watered it in. My pitiful bit of knowledge comes from marketing materials on the websites of folks selling aloe supplements, but that’s how they suggested using their product. The aloe, I read during my research, also can work as a water wetter, as can the yucca.

The “smashing” of the two together was incomplete, leaving bits of egg white looking material that oozed off the leaves. I’ve considered putting an aloe stalk in the blender with water to see what happens, but I haven’t run it by the wife yet.

I hadn’t considered harvesting just a small portion of the yucca root. Desert plants are incredibly hardy, that would most likely not cause any harm, especially for the ones in the washes where we would search (they’ve gotten more water).

I wasn’t planning on spraying it after vegetation stage, the foliage application is in my mind mostly for bugs. Aloe never get bugs, but I don’t want to affect the flavor outcome negatively. My mixture won’t fit in a sprayer, or rather won’t come out of one, so has to be spooned onto the leaves. I’ll try to get it broken down more on my next batch, but I’m not sure I can get it to the viscosity needed to get it to spray.

Everything was going well, and then disaster. The wife’s cat climbed into the pot pot on the window. She’s never gone up there before, and we aren’t even sure how a fat clumsy feline managed to get into and out of the pot way up there. We first noticed the plant laying over a bit so investigated and found evidence of the culprit, as she was caught on the time-lapse in the act, even laid on the camera a bit. Our girl was laid over, bent at the soil level. I laid her back up and used a stake to prop her up. About an hour later I pulled the stick out and she was standing tall again. We put up (ineffective) cat blockades and went back out to enjoy the day (too cold for her yet, only in the sixties). I go back to check a while later, and the cat was in the pot pot again, and jammed in such a way as to endanger the whole shelf with all the herbs, tools, and supplies.
We emptied the shelves and extracted the pot pot complete with cat so my wife could get her cat. Laid over again, this time in a different direction. We got all the BBQ skewers we had and I made a bamboo fence around the edge of the pot, then slid chicken wire over the top of the skewers to keep them in place. We know it works because we caught her on camera one more time, but the wire kept her out.
These plants have amazing resilience. She stood unaided after only a short time after being sat on, and when we watched her on the time lapse, she almost immediately started looking for the sun, stretching her legs (she doesn’t grow “straight up”, she moves around when she’s growing then holds perfectly still for hours) and growing again. After the second time being sat on within a few hours she didn’t move at all for a long time, waiting until just before sundown to wiggle a bit. This morning the biggest leaves, the five-leaves, were touching the CFL; when I put her in the light box last night they were two inches away. I just went to look again and her five-leaves are almost to the edge of the new pot. She’s looking at the sun now, soaking in the natural broad spectrum rays at a decreased level, since it’s a rainy day and she won’t even get to go outside for the third day in a row (too cold).

A pint of RO water daily seems to be the correct amount for right now, but today is rainy so she might not need as much.

Watching the plant move and grow on the time-lapse is an education. You would think that the plant would grow straight up towards the sun, but every time it grows that we’ve caught on video, she moves around as she does it, and it goes rather quickly, so it is all in fits and starts. We are reminded of the baby “Groot” character from “Guardians of the Galaxy” movie, dancing as she grows. It’s as though she absorbs the sun and water and nitrogen, gets a nice full belly and pushes her arms out to new levels, then relaxes until she’s absorbed enough sun and water and nitrogen to have a growth spurt again. The smaller events aren’t as dramatic, the little leaves pushing out seem to be on a more steady schedule of slow continuous growth. I imagine that this phenomenon is a seedling-vegetative stage transition, as it gets larger it won’t be able to rock back and forth like that.

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I don’t know how well it would work, but I have a suggestion…

Mash the aloe and allow it to sit in the water for a few days, stirring a few times a day. Strain the water and then see if it will spray.

I’m not sure how you could get that cellulose gel to break down enough for spraying, but I’m thinking that with the soak there should be some kind of leaching taking place that would still provide you with what you need.

@garrigan62 is good with using naturals, maybe he could come up with a solution to use the aloe in spray form.

Cats! I love 'em, but they are very inconsiderate when it comes to our girls! Lol

I would also say @garrigan62 iscyour guy for this one
Good luck with the cat :v:CB

@FloridaSon I like your idea. I skinned a couple of large aloe leaves, leaving the curved part as a bowl, then sliced the gel/goo every which way inside that scoop section of leaf, and spilled that into my mortar and ground it up, gradually adding a bit of RO water to the mixture. The contents of the two leaves , with a little water, is about half a Smuckers jam jar. I shake it up every so often, and can see the little bits of aloe gel floating around.
I also put the skins around my tomato plant face down pretty much covering the soil. The idea is that the aloe can keep bugs out simply by being a “fence”. I have lots of aloe, and can propagate more if needed. @garrigan62

The cat fence worked, no more issues. The morning after the “cat in plant” event, the leaves shot out, and the stem grew larger. Yesterday she continued remarkable growth, adding new leaves at an amazing rate. We’ve had a few days of rain, so the water usage has been minimal, but today she will be getting some sun for a the main part of the day. “Sun days” there’s no time lapse videos yet, I’m going to try to figure something out; she’s getting too big for the setup I’ve been using.

I may experiment a bit with a reflector behind the plant using the same silver Mylar stuff as I use in the box, to see if the extra photons striking the plant will make it grow or burn it. It will be coming from the side, so could also inspire the leaves to grow out as well as up. It’s the same idea I use in the box to get light all around, but using the sun instead of 100 something watts of fluorescent love. I’ll be watching her closely when the Mylar is in use.
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lol…Sometimes i mess around and have a good one. :wink:

Nice idea I’m sure it will work but as you said keep an eye on it :+1: