Organic Nute Burn?

I tentatively tried to get a good soil sample, but digging down into a 3 gallon bag, I encounter quite a thick patchwork of roots that I’d need to basically tear through with a spoon or so. Maybe I should, in the name of “science”. But I’ve chickened out for the time being.

In the spirit, though, of actively trying to see what’s going on, I did give the suffering, yellowing, curling plant enough plain water to get the tiniest of run-off samples. :grimacing: Here’s what I found:

PH 6.27 (in)
PH 7.11 (out)

PPM (out) was 1020 and EC (out) was 2.02. Not terrible numbers? In fact, based on them, I struggle to see what the problem is…

I respect that doing this reading from a tiny amount of run off (I was careful to water very slowly so the liquid didn’t just run down side and into the tray) is not super accurate, but as an indication, these numbers don’t seem so bad to me?

For sake of comparison, I fed the healthy looking-Titan as normal (which I’ve also been doing for the affected plant up until this watering) after what I took be the prevailing advice from this discussion board, and here is what came out:

PH 6.37 (in)
PH 6.51 (out)

PPM was 2020 (out) and EC was a massive 4.02. Those numbers look, on face of them, more concerning to me, but weirdly this plant is doing much better.

Which begs the question: if the struggling plant shows both PPM and EC to be almost exactly half of the healthier plant’s readings are (PPM1020 + EC 2.02 v. PPM2020 + EC 4.02), then does it make sense to assume that the struggling plant is actually deficient, not in excess?

I’m naive enough to hope this might be true, but experienced enough already to suspect the answer will not be so straightforward. But maybe? I guess if, after giving the struggling plant “plain” water, it continues to get worse, I’ll change tact and add more nutrients?

I’m thinking not terrible numbers if you’re using synthetic nutes and going in with approx 1000 PPMs and getting 15% run-off at approx 1000 PPMs. But with organic, I think it’s weak.

On my last grow, I was being rather consevative with my dry nutes because I didn’t want to overfeed and nute burn em up (if that’s even possible growing organic, still learning) while I was figuring out the right amount and times to top dress. A couple times the gals started fading and going lime green, I’m sure because of lack of food, and my “slight” run-off PPMs would be coming out at 1500 or less. If I waited to top dress until they reached 1500, they would fade a little more waiting for the microbes to do their thing and break down the amendments into a usable form the plants need.

Again, like you though, although I water in slowly and saturate the soil until slowly I get a little run-off (say 75 - 80 fl. oz. going in / maybe 2 - 5 out) I know my run-off sample is just a ball park picture of what’s going on so I factor that in accordingly.

I set my bottom number at 1500 PPM, if it got close to there, I’d definitely feed em. I won’t let it get down that low on the next grow and eventually I won’t need any run-off at all once I have it dialed in. I know you organic growers out there are ROFL but this is what I’m doing right now :laughing:

Some of my run-off numbers:
Flower Day 13 / 19 / 15
PPM out: 1440 / 3620 / 2240

Flower Day 17 / 23 / 19
PPM out: 3840 / 4050 / 2250

Flower Day 23 / 29 / 25
PPM out: 3350 / 3180 / 2760

I’d have to agree with you here. She needs sustenance. :rofl: :v:

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