Im trying to see the point of using benefical bacteria. I use soiless mix with synthetic nutes. I dont re use dirt. Is 5 months total enough time to see the benefits from beneficial bacteria?
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Microbes increase the health of the root zone as a whole. I always use some sort of microbial. When transplanting, I use straight mykos in the hole where I’m putting the plant into. During veg and flower, I add either Tribus original or Fishsh!t to the fertilizer for regular waterings. I also hit with recharge once a week or so. Plants love recharge. I add any microbials after I ph the water. I’m in coco and use jacks 321.
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Yes. Microbes will start working immediately. What they do is consume the synthetic nutes and then poop them back out in a form that is more bioavailable to the plant. A lot of growers will feed their microbes with unsulphured molasses. The microbes eat the sugar in the molasses.
You also mentioned mykos. Keep in mind that microbes and mykos are 2 different things. Microbes are a beneficial bacteria and mykos is a fungus that works with the roots to make them more effective at absorbing nutes.
Be sure not to overdo the microbes. They can dramatically increase nutrient uptake and may cause nute burn.
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Sorry for thread jumping but I have a question about ph before recharge. I have noticed the ph rises about .3-.5 when the recharge is added (in the correct order always). From flower to finish I gradually raise the water in ph to 6.8. I always ph last because it would be over 7 at this point. Am I doing this wrong?
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I have a question @Chu666cky .
You mentioned “soil-less” mix, is that pertaining to a cert type of nutes, or, does that refer to your medium type? 
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It refers to the grow medium. Coco, for instance, is a soilless grow medium.
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Medium type. I use stuff like pro mix, sunshine 4. Then i use synthetic nutes
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Thank you. Do you get some runoff? Im a coco user also. Coco needs to be fertigated, I believe you wash the good out each time.
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Yes i get some run off. That way i kno all the medium has moisture. I dont get allot of runoff but i dont think ive had issues because of it
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I thought you, Chucky, answered, not paying attention, you used coco, thus flushing good bacteria out.
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No thats not me ive never grown in straight coco
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It was Midwet answering your question.
Yes, im gonna see the results in 90 days. Super soil water only using some of the mycos.
18 days old
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It’s not necessary to use, but it is beneficial. I’ve always been a microbe and myco fan.
I’m testing this in coco right now with a frequent feed system if you are interested. This run has been myco and microbe free, with the exception of 1 low dose of fish sh!t after transplanting. Idk why we did. 
We are also comparing the use of UVA vs no UVA in the same run to see if the added wattage is justified.
I usually run with both uva and microbial products. So im trying to see how much the additives actually benefit.
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Wanting to clarify above statement as I understand things
Please correct me if I’m mistaken
Synthetic nutes aren’t microbe friendly and actually can harm/kill them
Synthetic nutes are akin to an IV feed where it is immediately available to the plants.
Natural or organic nutrients like say Neam meal or crab meal isn’t readily available (some is by nature of dissolving in water) but the critters (microbes) will eat the amendments and process it and then poop out and that’s then bioavailable to the plants to uptake via roots along with mychorrizal hyphe that are connected to the roots and they trade carbon from plant for energy and provide the plant greater access to those nutrients. They exchange information and resources in a symbiotic relationship.
Pretty sure chemical nutes kill living things in soil
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There is little evidence that suggests that synthetic nutes harm soil microbes.
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Thanks for that info
Always learning new things
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So with jacks have u experimented with the 4/2 ratio at all and eliminated the epsoms salt part. This run so far I’ve tried both ways with and without epsoms and so far I am not too happy with this run. I since switched back to GH flora trio on the pla ta and man what a difference in looks from jacks to GH brand nutes. The plants r lush green now look beautiful and my midnight snacks are actually looking like they r getting some purple forming on the running jacks the last 2 runs with the mid snacks and I had no color but green on leaves. Made me think I do something wrong. Lol. Switching nutes made a huge change. I’m still about jacks but maybe I need to work out the feeds a little more better for myself. May just go back to GH brand and sell these 25lb bags I just got. Idk. The plants look way better growing in GH tho
Sorry for the delay bro, I was on a cruise to Mexico. I typically don’t sway too far off the recommended weights with jacks. I may go slightly down or up depending on what the plants are telling me. I do check all the runoff numbers, which tell me what I need to adjust. You already know this lol, just saying what I do. I am getting great results with jacks and I did kick the idea of trying AN nutes last run, but for the price you can’t beat jacks. Not saying it’s the best , but I am still growing killer plants. Keep me updated on your grow man, I’d like to see the difference. You should do a side by side comparison grow. Same seed bank; same strain, etc, then use jacks and GH to show us. That would be an awesome experiment.
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Yeah roo Kate for that start but if I think about it next run I will do that. GH made a huge difference here for this run atleast.
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Man this camera sux I take better when wife gets home. This camera changes the colors big time. They r not nearly light colored as they appear. U’ll see with my wife camera. Wonder why it’s so different. Her is crystal clear images too.
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