So I am on my way home with 2 kingled 3000s and a kingled 2000 and I am wondering about them, I see they have the Samsung diodes in them. The person I got them from said he had them like 4 ft away from his plants and I’m just wondering what is the distance they should be from my plants? You know I’m used to having low-powered lights and keeping them 6 in away from the tops LOL just trying to get an idea here of what I am working with
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KingLed is known for lying about the capability of their lighting. KingLed does not use Samsung LM301 series diodes. The product is burples, which are far less efficient diodes. It is a marginal improvement from HPS/MH, but the efficiency versus Samsung LM301 is very misleading. A weak diode will outperform the least effective HPS/MH products.
PPFD should be maintained within good levels (e.g. ~1,000 PPFD in flowering) for the duration of grower’s product.
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@MidwestGuy okay, compared to my wakyme 1200 watt, it pulls about 215 from the wall or something in that range, I read that the king led 3000 pulls about 615 from the wall. I definitely did do a major upgrade compared to the wakyme lights correct?
@MidwestGuy man the guy I got them from said they was bleaching his tops so he had to put them four feet above top of canopy. I don’t trust the ppfd on the photon app, it is different on every phone I try it on. Like I said I put my 250 watt HPS and the other lights within 6 in of the tops and I never get any burning so I’m just trying to get some confirmation that these new lights that I just got are on a whole other level. Like I don’t know how far away I should put them from the top of the canopy like I was probably going to put them about 12 in or so you know I just don’t want to mess nothing up
I will say, i had one of these blurple lights and it could barely even pull a couple hundred ppfd. All the thing did was make heat. I used it vertically to try and use it as a subsidiary light and it wasn’t even good enough for that … If you want a good light Chinese blurples or reds will never be the answer. Light is without a doubt the single most important part of growing quality cannabis. You can skimp on just about anything else but splurge on the lights. Without it you will never have stacked and packed dispo type buds. You will just have lanky larfy plants. I’m afraid your buddy might have pulled one over on you…
I have been proved wrong before but kingled are notoriously bad lights. You can buy a good light on Amazon, viviosun, mars hydro, spider farmer, ac infinity. I would say a 400w light from anyone of those brands I listed would out preform all three of the kingleds. And you would only be out like 250-300 bucks and they last for years…
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@Weldurguy right I understand all of what you said and you are correct but the thing is I don’t have any money that I can spend on a light right now so I have to do the best with what I can do you know. I just found these on marketplace and traded a weed eater for them LOL so I pretty much don’t have any options right now I just have to take what I can get if you understand. But my whole thing is I made this post to try to get people’s opinion on a comparison from these lights to my old lights. I just don’t want to mess up and put them too close or anything you know
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Lol I just seen this, well somebody had the lights posted on marketplace for $100 and I messaged them asking if they would be willing to trade. So I gave them a weed eater and a old radio and the weed eater wouldn’t even start the man has to fix it LOL I had to drive about an hour and 20 minutes to go pick it up but s*** he also gave me seeds too. I don’t think he was trying to get over on anybody though he said he used the king led 2000 and grew some nice plants with it and the two 3000 lights are brand new in a box not even open. But I googled the lights and Google said the true wattage from the wall is about 615 Watts. This is the seeds he gave me
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Hell yeah lol i grew decent plants under a couple 100 watt lights but they was still the Samsung diodes idk anything about them
Wattage pulled from the wall can be misleading when the wattage generates more heat than light. Photon efficiency is an important metric. The KingLed lights are built with older generation diodes that use the power provided to produce heat more than light and their products are notable as substandard. (e.g. Samsung LM301 series diodes are the high-efficiency standard.) Burple products use LEDs that are multiple years obsolete.
You can spend $300 for a couple ounces on the street, or invest the same on good lighting for a perpetual weed factory.
Look for high-efficiency lighting with LM301b diodes for the best efficiency per dollar spent. The LM301b is obsolete, but still works very well. Good lighting may even enable you to produce enough weed to sell to neighbors to cover the cost of growing.
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@Weldurguy I’m in a place where whenever you get on marketplace for grow equipment you are not finding much at all and if you do it’s usually not no top notch equipment all you would have to take a little ride to pick it up. So pretty much right now me trading on marketplace is how I have been supporting my grow. But yeah minus the long ride that I had to take I believe I came out pretty good. S***the lights in my room now, on one of my 1200 watt blurples, about half of the lights are out on it so I have a cheap blue light hanging from the side of it to try to make up for it LOL very rigged up but it’s been working. Then my HPS I bought used and I have been using the same bulb for over a year straight so that light can’t be pushing nowhere near what it should be if I’m correct from what I read, you know so look at my view of this, as long as I can keep getting better lights than before while I have little to work with.
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@MidwestGuy right I feel you
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I get being low on funding for things, truly I do. Free seeds are always good too!! I would say download photone and also ppfd meter. Make sure you are not too bright above the canopy. Around 200ppfd for seedlings, 2-400 for veg and 600 to 800 ppfd for flower at max 1000 but without co2 that could be too bright for some strains. I used ppfd meter ( the name of the app ) and I shoot for 750-800 in flower. I know a lot will say 1000 but I had bleaching at 900 so I stay just under.
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@Weldurguy yeah well I use the photon app and I don’t know which one to go by because every phone that I put under it gives me a different reading. Like I said I have my wakami’s about 6 in and one phone was giving me a reading of 1300 ppfd well the other phone might be giving me a reading of 800 ppfd
That is why I use ppfd meter, some don’t like it but I checked it against a par meter and it was very close.
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@Weldurguy listen this is my whole thing when I’m trying to figure out, compared to the 1200 wakyme light what could I say one of these lights is over my old light if that makes sense. These new lights are what maybe double how good my old ones are?
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I run my plants at 1,100 PPFD in flowering and have never had a problem. Intense lighting ensures a compact plant.
Plants won’t benefit from PPFD > 1,200 unless CO2 is used, which can get quite complicated.
The following is a plant that was run at 800 PPFD in veg and 1,100 to 1,200 PPFD since starting to flower using 3 HLG 135 panels (total wattage ~400.)
Light burn isn’t a real thing unless a light is placed so close to a plant that the heat from the light affects the plant.
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@MidwestGuy yeah well he said it was bleaching his plant when he had a too close, the king led 2000 actually looks a little different than the 3000. Like the glass diffuser has holes in it
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Probably better than your old lights for sure
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I’ll remember that and bump them up. I always thought you needed to have CO2 to go up to 1000 and above. But I have only pushed mine that hard once. Maybe I just had them to close. Thanks for the info!!
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@MidwestGuy nice looking baby