I started my outdoor regular seeds on march 18th . My plan is to grow these up til its warm then move them outside. I have them on 18/6 light schedule . My question is will my plants re-veg when i move them outside?
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That would depend on when you put them out and your daylight hours.
I’ve got my outdoor going now since 25 days.
I put them out around the first to middle of June usually when daylight is closer to the 15+ hr mark here.
Check the sun up /sundown times for your area and go from there.
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In the northeast I plant around the 20TH of May the days are long enough by then. I use 1 gallon nursery bags so my plants are good size.
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If they’re a month old and under an 18/6 light cycle, technically they should still be in veg. If they went into flower, and you need to Revedge them, more than likely they are autoflowers. The only thing you should need to do is possibly harden them off before you put them out permanently.
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If they are NOT autoflower seeds and have been under 18/6 light schedule then they should not be in flower to be able to re-veg so you should have no issues.
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Ok thanks man . Now i gotta do my research.
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Are they just showing a few pistils or are they forming buttons in full flower? It’s not uncommon for sexually mature plants to show pistils early.
Here’s a tip for growing outdoor. Don’t start your plants on 18 hrs of light.Start them on 14. Set your lights to the amount of light that is shown for the date you plan to set your plants out. So if you plan on setting out plants in my area on 4/20 you would have about 13 hrs and 10 minutes of daylight, Don’t set them out untill you have more than 13 and preferably closer to 14 hrs of light a day or they will go into flower if they are sexually mature or over 30 days old with Indica Strains.
Many Sativa’s don’t seem to do this as I’ve planted some pure Sativa’s in March outdoor with no issues. Just the Indica or mostly Indica.
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Ok i got them set to 16/8 . How do i go about getting my schedule to 14/10 . Do i change the hours slowly or just all at one time?
Im want to go from 16 hrs of light to 14
It could trigger flowering. I would simply leave them alone and wait till mid May to set them outside. By then you should have enough light to set them outside.
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When you put them out if you get a few pistils no problem. They will grow right thru that. But if they actually start forming buds and staggering growth to unparalleled nodes, I usually just hack the plant back to the veg growth line. It will remove the flowering hormones from the top. If you don’t the plants can stall for 8 weeks like a real monster crop reveg. Then the are messed up on their sun cues like solstice and wanting sun towards fall equinox. Just the drop off in light will make many indicas flower well above 15 hours if done incrementally like the sun…. Not to go tangent here.
They will not skip a beat and start to blow up growth. You are not wasting the advantage of the early start because the plant will have a large root mass. This mass can support lots of fast new veg growth. The hack back is counter intuitive, but it makes the plants reset and go right into veg. Outdoor grower 17 years around seattle and this method works every time I get a spring flower.
@2GreenThumbs, I fully concur that the sativas won’t spring flower at 14 hours, but most indica and hybrids will flower at 14.5 hours. So I have found anyway tracking my outdoor grow (log) impeccably for 17 years. It is my interpretation that we default indoor to 12 hours “standard” to include outliers and sativas. At the equator the nights are never shorter than 12 is a reason too. It is not a problem on youngish seedlings because they are not sexually mature yet to flower (under 12”). But keeper clones or mature older seeded starts will flower on you at 14. For sure.
. Not a problem if you have the will to do the hack attack to the spring buds.
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I hope yall can help me on my early outdoors /reveg from seed…its pineapple express with 2 or 3 weeks of flower, now into its 2 or 3 week of reveg. Its still growing single leaves, 5’ tall ,6 ’ wide.
What do i need to do to get a great harvest this year?
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Welcome to the group. Can we see some pictures?
Its hard to get a good look in the pictures but ive read several different scenarios with good and bad outcomes with monster cropping clones.
This is a seed start set out couple weeks to early that has a few weeks of flower…no real bud formations ,only lots of hair and bud starts i guess.
Ive pinched the tops off most branches and been feeding veg nutes for a few weeks.
I just dont know what else to do to ensure a complete reveg and good harvest.
How do you determine the veg line?
Im willing to do the "hack attack "method you mentioned if it means saving this plant.
Honestly, this close to the solstice on such big plants, I would let most of it ride. It looks to me like it’s not too bad, that’s more preflower than buds. And you said you already topped the obvious buds. Like an asteroid bouncing off the atmosphere rather than crashing. Ha That tall one in the background looks like it’s gone back to full veg to me. Ideally you would hack it late May early June, but more like when they flower hard. They seem to have vegged ok. The problem is when they stall out vertically and go into more or a flower mode. Or a harder clearer flower. Yours seemed to flower soft enough to not have that problem. Or it’s a stretchy strain anyway.
If you do hack, only do the 1 or 2 that are most flowered. Like I hinted above, it’s about the last week you could pull it off. By the solstice is the hard limit or else it will mess them up hacking too late. It’s basically like a factory reset.
The veg line is where the obvious buds start to grow new stems with the single leaf that’s twisty or whirled. I hack it below as many of the buds as I can. Or I should say don’t let the veg line fool you. Hack like 80% of the plant. Leave enough of the lower braches that there is still some plant left to allow quick regrow. The idea (from fruit growers) is that the big roots push lots of new tops. Like suckering after you cut down or top an apple tree. They grow up off of the base of your cannabis plant. Once that starts to grow roll off or clip off any last floral clusters.
Here is a plant showing what I mean. I purposely spring flowered it with a male to grow seeds, hacked it below the reveg line to harvest the seeds, then let it go veg out in my raised bed for full run fall sinsemilla harvest. Left just enough lower branch to support the plant. Durban cross. You can clearly see the reveg line.
If I were not ripening the seeds, I would have hacked it well before normal sets of leaves. As soon as I saw the first single leafs and a lil non floral stem. So I guess the reveg line, as I like to call it, is more relevant when making seeds too. But either way you want to cut out those buds as much as possible. Even if there is new growth above. The old buds if they formed are where it always gets mold come fall. And can make floral transition just slower. My theory is the floral hormones onboard early mess with the normal veg cues. Which then delays the transition of veg back to bloom later the same season. Hope that makes sense.
If you end up in a spring flower situation again pollinating is a fun choice. The best part is sprouting those seeds and growing them along side their mom you just revegged. It’s 2 generations of pheno hunts all in one season. It’s my favorite little spring pollen routine. Then hack and reveg. They grow back big.
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Thank You very much for sharing ,I cant express my gratitude enuff after my 2nd year of growing ( Virginia has only been legal in its 4th year now) loosing most of a chocolope and an entire fully budded pineapple express after having set out too early.
This year as you can see ive done it again but with some hope. (Fingers crossed)
The tall one is an unknown Sativa strain that im completely in love with all of its attributes. ( purple stems and first stage pine terpenes) It didnt flower at all and set out the same time as the 60/40 sativa dominate hybrid .
The feminised hybrid did produce some seed on a couple of branches last year…I dont know why but it did,maybe stress from being set out at the limit or just right time to produce i really dont know.
Id love to know how to get my Sativa to do that and seed a little like the hybrid did …just on a cpl of branches and only on the bottom of the buds so 95 % of the bud is seedless.
My thoughts on why the hybrid did is maybe it hermied a lil bit on those branches ,maybe it was stressed on that side ( broken branches) or maybe is self seeded from being over mature…i wish i knew because id like to ensure more seasons with the Sativa.
Ill take as many clones as i can but i want seeds and want em feminized and not hermied.
So far all of the seeds from the hybrid are clean feminized ( not hermied)
This is BAD advice. I know this to be true because I used to assume that cannabis won’t flower if it is receiving more than 12 hours per day. This is not always true. Yes, a 12 / 12 light cycle will GUARANTEE that your plants will flower, but not all strains behave exactly the same and some can flower at 13 hours, 14 hours, or even 16 hours. I had mine set at 16 to mimic the natural daylight when i was going to put them out and a few of them started flowering. I asked the guy at the grow shop and he says he sees this happen all the time where people put the lights at 14, 15, 16 and plants start flowering.
18/6 will GUARANTEE your plants will stay im veg. 17 is probably safe too (out of 30 plants only a few flowered at 16 hours)
12/12 will GUARANTEE your plants will flower
But in between you may have varying results depending on the strain and some other factors. I imagine light intensity could also be a factor. Stress is also a factor. It isn’t exactly 12 hours that is the point where a plant can begin to flower. Different plants will have different thresholds and 13 or 14 hours is definitely very risky. 15/16 isn’t too bad but I suggest minimum 16.5.
Too late, let her do her thang. Don’t set them outside next year until the days are long enough.
Good luck!
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