GSC Auto Day 56 Possible Deficiency

I love Fox farm Happy frog that’s all I use. I even reuse it from one grow to the next. But the nutrients, :face_vomiting:

Your light should have came with some information. One of which should be a chart that tells you how high to set your light during seeding, vegetation, and flowering stage.

It might say something like
Vegetation. 29" at 75%

What does the manufacturer recommend that you set you’re light height an intensity to during vegetation?

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The light instructions say to be 18 inches away during all stages, and to be 40% during seedling, 80% during veg, and 100% during flower. I currently have them at 80% and 18 inches away.

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It’s the next day and I think she’s looking significantly happier. Leaves aren’t drooping and growth looks to have continued upwards.



Some of the leaves towards the bottom have continued to brown a little bit, but the ones on the top look to be growing in healthy.



I’m starting to understand the whole ppm and ph thing with watering, I just have a couple questions going forward.
How much water would you recommend for the next watering? I’m guessing somewhere from 1.5 gallons to 2 gallons
You were saying that the goal is to get 1000ppm runoff, is that for the whole grow, or just this stage of the grow?

I was also wondering about what to ph the water to next time. I was doing 6.0 before but you had me do 6.5 this last time. It seems like the ph of the runoff is what’s most important so is there a certain number I should be going for?

Normally a gallon and 1/4 to a gallon and 1/2 for 5 gallon pots will give you the runoff that you need each time you feed.

Yes that would be for the entire grow.

Always pH your water after mixing your nutrients to 6.5 your runoff ph should fluctuate somewhere between 6.2 and 6.5 when it gets too high or too low then you want to look into other issues

I also wanted to mention since you had a small issue with underwatering lack of nutrients etc it’s the reason you’re seeing the discoloration in a lot of your leaves. This will take some time to clear up. They don’t change back overnight.

I know you mentioned you wanted to clean up the bottom of your plant with some of the old dried up nasty leaves that’s a very good idea.

Last thing, today is Sunday start of a new week I see pistols on almost all of your bud sites. I would call this week 1 of flower

This also means that you can start the next level of your feed. Week 5 on your chart from Fox farm. So you’ll be adding the tiger bloom next time you feed.

As I said before it’s good to keep a record of everything I just print out a calendar and write down my inputs that I feed them and the output of what the runoff is. The numbers mean everything

I also have a tent full of auto flowers. Week 2 of flower. They just woke up they’re droopy.

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Wow, your tent is looking pretty full, that’s gonna be a big harvest. Thanks for clarifying my questions about watering, I’m feeling a lot more confident in that department going forward.

It all gets easier once you get in the groove.

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For sure, I plan on doing many more grows to come

Her dirt got dry again today so I watered with 1.25 gallons of water. I added the bloom nutes to the mix and got it to a ppm of 745 and a ph of 6.5. After watering I got 5 cups of runoff, with a ppm of 1170 and a ph of 6.35. If I’m understanding this all correctly, I should slightly lower my amount of nutes next watering to try to achieve a lower ppm of the runoff closer to 1000 next time, correct? I’m keeping all of my data logged and am working on a spreadsheet to keep it organized.

I’m glad you’re catching on fast. Most people it takes a while. Theoretically you could lower the feed slightly next time but you’re in what’s called my +/- safe run off where I would just feed them exactly the same thing next time as you did today.

I do have a question for you. How much calcium magnesium are you using every time you feed? 1/2 teaspoon (2.5mil)

Now that you’re understanding a little better let’s get into your situation with your numbers. I in no way want to freak you out or discourage you from anything. But when you’re finished reading this you’re going to say wow (she’s sick with the F’in numbers)

Nutrients contain a NPK value consisting of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium.

They are the three main things your plant up takes in the nutrients to make your plant grow happy healthy and survive. You’ll notice an NPK value on each of your bottles of Fox farm nutrients.

What does the total PPM of a water/feed consist of

1.) Your main water source
2.) nutrients containing NPK
3.) additives with and/or with out NPK value

You add the three things together and you achieve a total PPM value. (Parts per million)

With that said, let’s take a look at what your plants actually getting when you feed her.

Your current feed number at this time is 745ppm

You’re using tap water. The ppms of your tap water contain 344ppms of whatever dissolved solids your water center puts in your water.

So that means close to 1/2 of your feeds total value is used up in your tap water.

Next, you’re adding 1/2 a teaspoon (2.5ml) of calcium magnesium which is approximately 300ppm

So your tap water Plus calcium magnesium brings your ppms to
644ppm and we haven’t even added your base nutrients yet.

This now leaves you with only 101 ppms total that you can add to your mix to achieve your 745 ppms of feed

Let’s go back to the original question. What do your plants need the most to grow? NPK (nitrogen phosphorus potassium).

What are you giving your plant the very least of in your feed? NPK (nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium)

I’m sure at this point your next question is are my plants going to grow?

The answer to that is absolutely. Weed is exactly what it is, a weed. It’s almost impossible to kill and for years I’ve seen people grow without any nutrients whatsoever using just tap water.

The reason I broke this down to you is not to scare you or to sell you RO water or rain water but to show you how little nutrients you’re actually giving your plant utilizing tap water and so much calcium magnesium every time you’re feeding. (Your TAP watered already contains calcium magnesium)

There are other alternatives
A lot of new people just to keep expenses down will not buy distilled, RO, or rain water as an alternative and choose not to change anything. They’re happy with tap water. Your plant will grow and produce nice tasty bud.

So, with all this non useful information above what could you change to make your feed a little bit better.

It’s simple, from here out when you’re feeding your plant and mixing the nutrients I want you to add 1.5ml of calcium magnesium and not 2.5ml as you have been. More importantly I want you to do this every other feed. this will allow you to give a little bit more of your base nutrients to your plant.

I hope I didn’t scare you away :thinking::thought_balloon:

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Thanks for the response. Numbers don’t scare me away, I did two years of calc and college stats in hs so I’ve always felt comfortable around them. When I watered yesterday, I specifically used 1.5 tsp 0-0.5-0.7 Big Bloom, 1 tsp 6-4-4 Grow Big, 0.5 tsp 2-8-4 Tiger Bloom, 0.5 tsp 1-0-0 Cal-Mag. Then when I tested the ppm it was a little bit lower than my goal so I added a little less than a half a teaspoon more of 6-4-4 and 2-8-4 since I figured those had the biggest abundance of nutrients and that brought me to the goal ppm. I see what you’re saying with lowering the cal-mag next time to fit more nutrients, just wanted to give you an idea of the ratio I’m using at the moment.



She’s looking happy this afternoon

She does look very happy. To be honest with you, I only use calcium magnesium once a week and I only put in 150ppm of it. And I use RO water (0ppms)

If you were curious as to your contents of the tap water it shouldn’t be an issue getting it from your local water source. (If it even matters to you) There’s obviously some NPK in there.

I just noticed the Npk of your tiger bloom. I’m impressed. That’s a very well-balanced amount of phosphorus and potassium during flowering.

I’m very fortunate, my son builds car washes. Very expensive car washes. They all have ro systems. He brings me about 30 gallons of RO water every week for the last 2 years. Nothing better than free water with zero ppms.

You’re doing a good job. You catch on very fast

Thanks, I’ve been learning a lot of valuable information from you. I did read a bit about ro water when I was doing research beforehand and I’d consider looking into in the future. I just didnt want to attempt using it my first time since unless you really know how to mix your nutes it seems like it would be easier to get certain deficiencies. I found out yesterday that the water coming out of certain faucets in my house has different ppm’s. My kitchen sink in the 344, but the downstairs bathroom sink by my tent was over 700. Glad I caught it as soon as I did, because it was throwing all my numbers off.

I prefer RO water any day over tap water. Distilled water and rainwater are also excellent sources for 0 ppms (rainwater might have a little 0-6ppm)

I like to start out with zero PPM because it gives me control of what my plant gets.

For now this is a perfect way for you to learn and not spend money. I’ve helped tons of people with high PPM tap water and well water and their grows turn out absolutely fantastic.


This is the data chart I made for the watering. The first date is a bit off because I only documented the second watering I did with nutes, not the first gallon of plain water. I just watered her again today and am a bit concerned about the high ppm of the runoff. Maybe it could be that the built up salt has finally worked its way out after I’ve increased the watering for a week now. I didn’t use any cal-mag this time, so I was able to fit 1.5 tsp 0-0.5-0.7, 2 tsp 6-4-4, and 1 tsp 2-8-4, but the ppm was about 850, so I poured a bit out and topped it back off to 1.25 gal with water.


Growth has been consistent and I’ve been removing darker leaves with burnt tips, and a few on the inside to open up airflow and light penetration. None of my leaves have fully died or turned brown so overall I think she’s doing pretty good.