I know that leds can be closer because less heat they put out, and I prefer the leds. But if there’s a more effective light set up I wanna know, because im.going to.be continuously growing and rather invest now and get.more for my buck now then low yields. It’s just hard because I know all the plants are getting light but it just doesn’t seem so by the back plant that’s still tiny. I dunno I’m new to this lol… it’s just most plants are doing great some a little slower, one of them is growing super fast and I might need to flower her by herself before the others. And I might do a scrog for the other plants, right now.im.topping And FIMing. Any input is great always looking to improve my self.
Just topped another plant it maybe a little soon but it should produce 6 tops off one cut.
It’s got 6 small nodes that should shoot up, and got three more clones do you think they’re to small to be cloned? @Countryboyjvd1971
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The halogen lights are probably consuming more power than they are helping. Very little photosynthetic active radiation per watt from all of them I’ve seen.
I don’t remember seeing a whole lot of the dimgogo lights until recently, but most that have them seem to be reasonably happy with them. If you’re on a tighter budget could be a good option for you. Just make sure to compare it to lights that consume around the same amount of power, instead whatever equivalent number they attach to them. Two similarly styled lights that consume 250 watts per hour will perform about the same. One manufacturer may call theirs 600 watt equivalent while another calls theirs 1200 watt equivalent.
Don’t get too hung up on heat either. Leds will still produce some heat. As far as canopy temps are measured it’s usually a little less than hid. But it’s not like they don’t produce any heat at all either.
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Do you think the one 300watt led is sufficient enough for this right here
And how many watts do you think I’ll need once they get bigger and I spread them out and get them ready for flowering? 1000watt? 1200watt? Or 2000watt?
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I’m looking at.it wrong watts doesn’t even matter I need to find the best.PAR output. The sun is 100k lumens lol, no way to get anywhere close to that. But I need to find a high output of PAR for my.lights. thanks for the suggest of the halogen. @dbrn32. And yea leds are being pushed now because they use less power and heat and create more PAR. The light I have covers a 2foot by 2 foot area and penetrates into the canopy. They say it can grow 4 flowering plants but to use it for 2, so I would need 4 lights at least and they don’t necessarily need to be 300watt. I’m looking into A 900 led 4 panel light for 70$ it’s not high wattage but, it covers a lot, for less. And with the light I have now those 5 should cover enough to flower 8 plants. Right now I’m just creating as many tops as I can, I may or.may not have to do a scrog method, but with 8 plants I’m hoping to have 32 to 64 tops each. @Countryboyjvd1971
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You’re probably fine for a little bit, they’ll start to outgrow that light in a few weeks though.
It’s a 2x3’ grow space?
I agree that par is better measure, but don’t be fooled by a spot measurement from the center of a light either.
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Ok so I got a few weeks to save for some better lights, I dunno I’m thinking a bout this right here, what do you think.
Looks like it will cover enough with the other light I got. @dbrn32
Not if it’s only a 14 watt light? It’s kinda hard to tell in description, but that’s what it looks like.
Can’t tell of its 14watts per led or 14 watts total lol… but I just FIMed and did some topping.
Not looking too bad.
Going by Watts is a general rule of thumb that helps new growers get a hold on the whole lighting thing when looking for new lights
Par is important spectrum etc as @dbrn32 has explained
And good point you made about led panel will always be strong in center
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Yea but some wattage can be off throwing like I seen a light that was 1000watts but it said total wattage used was 240watts. So it’s like a hassle trying to find the right light and good lights. I was looking into Kind bar led lights, they sell macro and.micro sized. So veg and flowering. But they say use 2 lights to 1 light of either macro to micro or micro to macro I forget, for optimal veg and flowering, but I think I’m just going to look into two led lights that have enough bands and PAR to use for both veg and flowering just.like the 300watt 100 led light I have right now is used for both I believe it’s 9 band. Just having an issue with some plants growing faster than others, but I did have an issue in the beginning where a lot of them almost died and had to trim leaves early on and that stunted growth but they all lived and bounced back. I just don’t wanna be in a position where I have to flower them separately and would like to flower all of them together. I’m trying to get at least 25 clones off this batch to increase my grow by 3 times. But of course I’ll need a bigger area once they get bigger and I’m looking into A tent to put or two once that time comes, but I’m looking to increase how many I grow each time around, until I have 150 to 200 plants going at once, space isn’t the issue, it’s cost of lighting and product.but I’m hoping I can harvest enough by that time to build up.enough to that point. I love doing this recreational, and I have enough time for as many plants as I want. But I also want to start profiting and have enough for my family, so we don’t need to buy it from people anymore and we know that it’ll be quality stuff. @Countryboyjvd1971 @dbrn32, do you guys have any experience with the technique defoliation? I heard removing leaves so that the light can get all the way thru to the bottom of the plant increases yields and growth. Also I have an issue with one plant Its under the 150 watt outdoor light and it puts a lot of heat off, so I think either I need to water this plant more or it’s lacking nutrients which I just started Friday, take a look.
I have it LST, taped off, so I can get tops off the lower part and it’s working but it just started this issue yesterday, I’ve been watering every other day and giving nutrients once a week on Friday. Should I try watering more or giving nutrients twice a week? I gave 10-3-6 roughly as the NPK ratio. Should I raise it? Try a little higher next nutrient feeding? These plants from seed are going into 6th week and they seem small. But the few of them experienced problems.so that could be it, but this plant here experienced no problems.and this is how big it is at 5 weeks, after topping and now I FIMed the 4 colas yesterday, I don’t know if I did it right if I didn’t correct me here,
I just don’t know how many weeks of veg I should grow them for, I do know I’ll be flowering for 8 to 10 weeks. Maybe throw 1 week extra in. All depends, any feed back would be great guys. Also here’s 4 clones 1 is one week old and the others 3 days old. Lemme know what you think of them too
The one that’s yellow and eating itself is a week or 8 days, and it seems like the center grew up a little so it may have took root but I can’t tell yet
There are plenty of the 300 watt panels available thatvwill
Work just fine bro for start to finsh
I have a bunch and they are fairly inexpensive imho
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So I should just go with a few 300watt leds instead of looking for higher wattage lights. Just spread them out evenly and by how many sq footage the lights do and I’ll get optimal light penetration? Here’s what I defoiliated off plant to open center up
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So it wasn’t much and shouldn’t effect the plant at all, and should help those lower nodes grow.
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I don’t really defoliate my plants i only remove leaves when I they are dieing or yellow and about to fall off anyway
The plants need the leaves
Here a thread you should check out
He has another one with lots of videos as well if you want the link @zFiNeSsez
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You kind of have to break down the lights a little more to compare them on any level. When they mention bands, they’re talking about the different wavelengths or colors of light. In most cases, that’s how many different leds they are using. For instance reds can be red, photo red, far or near infrared, or infrared. If they have some of each, that’s 4 different bands. If they add a blue, a yellow, a green, a violet, and a uv, that’s 9 bands total. Whites don’t really work that way, as they usually emit some of all of those bands, but a cold white, neutral white, and warm white would make it 12 bands. Or take away the whites, and ad two different blues and violets, still 12 bands. The only real effect that has on par is that the relative quantum efficiency of some colors is better than others.
Same kinda goes for power. Some leds are really good at making light, and others not so much. In a nutshell, you’re usually getting what you pay for. However just because something is expensive doesn’t always make it better either. Sometimes there are features that cost big money that don’t necessarily have anything to do with light output involved. That’s generally a user preference in what they’re willing to pay for. Anyways, there’s a broad range of efficiencies in the led world. You get a light that’s twice as efficient, it’s putting out twice the light and half the heat per watt.
Generally speaking, the more efficient and better the light spectrum, the more expensive a light is going to be.
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I understand they need them, but I’ve seen results removing minor amounts that increase yields. I know it’s a controversial topic, and some believe it helps and some believe it’s unnecessary, I’m going to try it on a plant to see the different outcomes, I’ve seen pictures where right after doing it, the plant grow tremendous, and I’ve seen pics right after during flowering where buds grew bigger a day later due to more energy being used for buds and.other parts of plants from.small removal, and allowing light to reach all parts of plant. I guess we will see, I’ll keep updates on it.
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Well I did some LST today and hopefully I’ll see some gains, the plant I topped yesterday already has 6 to 7 top shooting up and it’s only 10 inches tall.
These are the plants I’ve got LST, while topping, and FIMing. Plants are only 10 to 15 inches tall and I’m working on 10 plus tops per plant, hoping by the time I get them ready for flowering I can have a total of 160 plus tops over 8 plants, so 20 tops per plant. Got a new 600watt led coming and I’ll have a 300watt led going, and eventually another 300watt led. So I’ll have two 300 watts and a 600watt for flowering. Looking to get the gram per watt yield. But if I get half a gram per watt I’ll be happy.
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Nice work brother
Will be following along
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Well I hooked up 2 more 300 watt leds that seem.to brighten and.cover every aspect of the plants. The temperature is perfect 71 to 73 degrees, a little less at night, but my humidity.is 33%, is this because.im not watering enough? Or what could the problem be? I put a 5 gallon bucket if water in the grow room.so water can evaporate and cause humidity to rise. I’m told it is suppose to be between 50 to 70%? Maybe that’s why my.plants seem.to be growing slower than I expect. Ant suggestions @Countryboyjvd1971 @dbrn32
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You can get a humidifier and run that to raise humidity in grow room if your in a tent place it outside tent
Its Best way to deal with low humidity issues imho
In veg you want higher humidity65-75% in flower you dont you want to be in the 40% range
Also raising humidity will raise temps a little bit as well just a fyi
In my area we deal with humidity and dry air depending on season so i keep humidifier Ac unit dehumidifier etc available so I maintain a healthy environment to the grow room
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