First feeding of Microbes please help!


@Graysin the two lower fan leaves :leaves: are changing to a lighter color green a bit yellowish. They dont get much light, is that why they change color? And when can i take them off?

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That’s a possibility for the yellow leaves but the lower ones tend to drop off over time anyway. You could take them if you want or leave them until they touch the soil. I’ve heard that used a a point of reference - they go when they touch, but it’s really up to you.
If it was still green-ish and not withered I’d probably leave it. All those leaves are giving power to the plant and right now she’s got a lot going on you don’t see, it’s all under the surface.
As long as you stay in the range for growing in whatever medium you’re growing in you’re safe. Marijuana will actually “digest” different nutes better at a certain Ph and will “digest” others more efficiently at another Ph.

These are the nutrient charts for soil and hydro. You can see at what range the nutrients will be most available to the plants.

Soil tends to buffer the nutes a little better so most elements are available at the baseline of 6.5 and will only do slightly better at a higher or lower Ph.
As you can see with the hydro chart some nutes do better slightly below the baseline and some above.
In a hydro setup it’s advantageous to slightly vary the Ph according to what phase of growth you’re in.
In hydro consistently watering at 5.8 could lead to a slight deficiency of calcium and magnesium as they aren’t absorbed as well below 6.0.
The Big Three are all pretty good at 5.8.
The Ph of a solution will rise over time as it absorbs oxygen and CO2 from the atmosphere also.
Basically don’t stress if you don’t nail 5.8 every time as long as you’re in range.
It always cracks me up that pot growers will freak out about a little chlorine in tap water but will squirt acid in their solution till the cows come home to get that Ph dead on!
In the long run the chlorine is far less detrimental to the plant than that lye is any day!

Best of Luck to you!!

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@Tylersays i can’t thank you enough for the explanation. I have a pretty decent understanding now, it makes sense. In order for the plant to take in nutrients effectively the ph has to be within range, got it!! I think! Lol! I hope!
Today is their 2nd week above ground. What would you watch out for at this phase? I didnt want to do run off yet because i just transferred them to their final pots. And im slowly building up the amount of water i feed them. Do you check anything other than the waters ph for now, or do you look into ppm and ec. Sorry if that a dumb question. They are in 70 %ff coco loco and 20% perlite and about 10% ff ocean because i transplanted them to their final pot and i wanted to not change up the soil to coco right away and because i a newbie and i dont know any better. I heard that since the soil has it nutrients for the first 4 weeks. What should i do at this point for the next 2 weeks that i dont feed the nutrients. Only microbes ever week

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@Tylersays i almost forget to mention that i didn’t think it would have been wise after transplanting to fill them up till runoff. Im gradually increasing it. The first day of transplant i gave about 8 oz. Then 16 oz 2 days later then 32 oz 3 days later which was today. I think next watering would probably be 4 days from now and i will probably double my last amount of water 64 oz = 1/2 gallon. Do you think run off will be achevied at this amount? :thinking: or is my method of thinking totally wrong?

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If you’re feeding with just plain water Ph is all you need to worry with atm, later when you start adding nutes you’ll want to check and record PPMs of the solution. I comes in handy if you have to check the run off PPMs to see if the plant is eating well, but this early on that’s not gonna be an issue and overall is less of an issue in coco vrs soil.
I use a coco/peat blend which has a little leeway with watering. The main reason I’ve stayed away from coco is the watering requirements. Once the plants get rolling you can end up watering everyday and sometimes more than once a day.
That being said there are people who don’t follow that rule and have great results.
I don’t see anything wrong with your watering as long as you’re doing circles out from and around the plant to encourage the roots to grow and expand through the medium. But I’ll defer to @Graysin and others for that question. I don’t want to steer you wrong, but from what I understand you almost can’t over-water in coco.
But again, I’ll defer to someone who uses that mix.
What nutes are you using? With Jacks you can go ahead and start feeding, it’s a lite feed and shouldn’t burn the plants at all. I’ve given full strength Jacks to girls still in Solo cups!
But again, coco not really my wheelhouse so wait for the experts in that to chime in later today.

Best of luck!!

Pretty much true. Water once a day and they’ll be happy. Less frequently can make the coco dry out and become hydrophobic - makes watering later a pain. More frequently can lead to issues, but when they’re big and in flower, sometimes they require 2x daily watering.

Yep. It’s good to practice the habit but I am among those who broke the rule and often only water once every 2 days for my smaller plants.

Sort of. Water more frequently - see above. I give my vegging plants maybe 1/4 gal to 1/2 half gal when I water, and do so at least every 2 days.

Coco isn’t soil - it has less water retention unless you’re using something like Coco Loco (not actually coco). Just like Tyler explained - some stuff is able to be watered less frequently because it’s not pure coco (or purely coco and perlite, which is a pretty common mix around here.)

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Do this require attention! :thinking:



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How about broken leaves from fan blowing a bit much on the leaves. Is it concerning? :thinking:

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Is that just on the lowest leaves? It looks like the kind of appearance my leaves take on if I let them sit in/on the surface of my soil.

Yes it is… i actually had to clear off some soil so they don’t

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Makes perfect sense. Just remove those leaves. :v: They’ll only get worse. Don’t know why, I just know it is the case.

Are they ready for a bit of stress. If you recall i topped them all about 3 days ago. They all seem to be showing new growth from topping. And two of the last ones i transplanted are a bit dark green like the incredible hulks skin tone. Why do you believe this is happening? Could it be nitrogen toxity from worm casting? They are growing a bit slower than the rest

Losing leaves that are costing them energy is not going to be stressful enough for them to notice.

And yep I sure do recall :rofl: my topped plant is chugging right along with yours.

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Nitrogen toxicity is classically described as deep green, almost waxy looking leaves. Sometimes they claw downward. Slow growth and dark green is a good indicator of N overload. I don’t know how one would go about fixing it if it’s induced from too much of a slower release fertilizer like worm castings.

Can this fix itself or must i figure out the cause to address the issue

And last question for the day i promise! :laughing: should i wait of should i take away these leaves that i know for sure arent getting any light or is it time to tilt and tie off. :thinking: any suggestions. I just talked about stress and that will cause stress i am sure. But is the removal needed or better left alone for now. Please any help from @Tylersays @SilvaBack203 is greatly appreciated!! Alwayss!!



This is underneath

This is the other side underneath her

Is that from topping??

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I would wait and yes its topping

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Lol. Bro. Your stress is causing stress. Smoke a joint and take a deep breath. Let her grow and do her thing. We’ll holler if something looks too off.

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:rofl::rofl: yes… a joint should work.

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Whoosah°

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@Graysin this new growth in the center look healthy to you?
Any suggestions? @SilvaBack203 @The_Chef @Tylersays

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