1st Ever Grow - AK47 Fems - Indoor

So this is my first ever grow. I have a setup going for indoors and have already started. Pictures of what I have going are below. I am starting 3 plants in my 2ftx2ftx4ft tent. There is 1 6in intake fan going with 2 passive side vents on the bottom open. I also have a 6in circle vent open on the top. There is no Exhaust fan. Running a 300 watt LED light.

Any thoughts on improvements to make this a successful 1st grow?

I am concerned my temps and humidity are too high. My temps stay around 78-82, with the humidity staying around 50%.

Welcome to ILGM forum ! Good to see you start with AK-47. I LOVE it, it is one of my favorites.

One thing I tell all growers of AK is to keep the pH in good range and start adding small amts of Cal/Mg to it when you start nutes. AK-47 uses a lot of Cal/Mg when growing. I found out through experience when I was flowering. Deficiency slows down growth and you do not want to slow growth in the flowering stage.

Since you are starting a journal, here is a support ticket that you can post that will give us a lot of good information if you have problems (we ALL have problems at the start). The information will give us a easy reference to help out without asking a lot of questions, though we may need ore info at times.

COPY/PASTE: This “Support Ticket” into your forum post. Answer these simple questions the best you can.
If you do not know, or do not use something; Just say so = NA

ILGM Support Ticket:

What is the strain and type(unknown bag seed, strain name, regular seeds, feminized seeds, auto-flower, etc)?

Indoor or Outdoor? If outdoor, planted in ground or in a container?

Size of space (max height and area, length/width)?

Soil or Hydro? Type of Medium used? System type?

pH? Of the soil or medium (root zone/reservoir/run-off) and of the water and/or nutrient mix that is fed to the plant?

Type and strength of nutrients used? NPK? EC/TDS/PPM levels? Of what you feed it as well as what is in the water by itself and in the soil/medium (run-off), or reservoir.

Temperature? Day vs. night temp or highest and lowest temps? Root zone temps?

Humidity %? Day vs. night

Light system/watts/lumens/FLUX/PAR?

Ventilation system? Size? CFM? CO2? AC, Humidifier, De-humidifier?

Number “weeks/days” from into Season, Vegetative Growth or Bloom/flowering?

Add anything else you feel would help us give you a most informed answer. Feel free to elaborate, but try to be brief and to the point. Short and to the point questions and/or facts will help us help you in

One of the most important things you can get right away is a pH meter and a PPM meter. pH needs to be well controlled to get the best yield you can.

And finally, Robert’s Grow Guide is a free download that I highly recommend you get and study. A LOT of good information in it to help growers.

Hope you have a great grow ! Do not be afraid to ask questions, there are no dumb questions especially when you are in your first grow. Good Luck. Jerry

What is the strain and type(unknown bag seed, strain name, regular seeds, feminized seeds, auto-flower, etc)?
AK-47 Fem from ILGM

Indoor or Outdoor? If outdoor, planted in ground or in a container?
Indoor

Size of space (max height and area, length/width)?
Grow Tent Measuring 2ft length by 2ft width by 4ft height

Soil or Hydro? Type of Medium used? System type?
Soil - Currently in Miracle Grow Seed Starter

pH? Of the soil or medium (root zone/reservoir/run-off) and of the water and/or nutrient mix that is fed to the plant?
Runoff - Untested
Soil - Meter reads low 6 (analog, hard to be specific)

Type and strength of nutrients used? NPK? EC/TDS/PPM levels? Of what you feed it as well as what is in the water by itself and in the soil/medium (run-off), or reservoir.
Currently nothing but the seed starter soil. I plan to use the Fox Farm trio for soil (Big Bloom, Tiger Bloom, and Grow Big). As for water, I plan to move to Distilled in the next week. Currently using Spring water.

Temperature? Day vs. night temp or highest and lowest temps? Root zone temps?
My temps stay around 75-82 currently. I am looking into how to bring them down.

Humidity %? Day vs. night
45-52 is the range it stays in now. I am also looking into getting this lower as I lower my temps.

Light system/watts/lumens/FLUX/PAR?
VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light

Ventilation system? Size? CFM? CO2? AC, Humidifier, De-humidifier?
1x 6in Intake fan on the side near the bottom of the tent.
2x Passive intake vents open
1x 6in vent space left open (no fan)
No Exhaust Fan

Number “weeks/days” from into Season, Vegetative Growth or Bloom/flowering?
Still Germ stage I believe. Seeds sowed March 2nd.

My only real question currently is an easy way to lower temps 4-5 deg while keeping humidity near where it is at, if not a bit lower.

A small clip fan would be the easiest way to bring temps down a little. How are they responding to the temps where they are now? Is there a way you could open a vent or something at the top of the tent to let the warm air escape through the top?

I currently have one of the 6in circle vent opening on the grow tent opened. It is located on the very top.

The plants look to be doing good with the temps, I am just worried they are on the high side. As for the small clip fan, just inside the tent pointing near the plants/light or used to try and push air out the top 6in opening?

Aim it at the tip of the plants so it helps push the warm air away and circulate it an cool it down a little in thers

Uh I hate to be the one but unless you plan on scrogging them in a trellis net are screen it’s gone get very crowded in there in flower Sir . I myself grow in a 2x2x5 tent and it’s very hard to grow two plants in my tent and I had three Led panels pushing about 500 watts . That duct fan will work for now in early veg for your seedlings but in order to flower you gone need a inline fan at least a 4 inch 190 CFM and a carbon scrubber , I think Ventech 4 inch comes as a package deal with fan , scrubber , and variable switch for about $125 on Amazon if not cheaper . But if you look in a few of my threads you can see my tent and a few grows I’ve done and did a journal on which I’m no expert but it’s gone be pretty crowded especially if you vegged four weeks are longer . Now if it’s auto flowers and they are short strains like lowryder are such you might can pull it off but if they regular feminished photo period strains good luck and you gone need more equipment to successfully flower them in bloom . Now when I ran one inline fan the 4 inch with scrubber I had to used a dehumidifier in flower to get humidity down enough to finish . Now if you can afford it I suggest you get two inline CFM fans , a 6 inch for the top and a 4 inch on bottom which would give much control over your grow tent in temps and humidity .

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Any reason to not use the 6" to exhaust and let the passives only be the intake?

Sorry If I missed something…

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This is a good fan and filter set up. It has a speed controller so you can control the heat and maintain the humidity a little better. You can look at other places on line like Walmart and others but I have found that Amazon is really good at getting things shipped and at your home on time. That way you don’t have to wait forever to get something.

https://www.amazon.com/Powermaxx-Premium-Charcoal-Carbon-Controller/dp/B010IVOWO0/ref=sr_1_6?tag=greenrel-20

With a 2x2x4 tent, that is only 16 cubic feet and the 4 inch should be more than enough unless you decide to increase the size of the tent. The 4 inch moves 190 cubic feet of air per minute. With only 16 cubic feet, that will be plenty. You need to be able to replace the air in the tent every minute and the 190 will do that MANY times over.

If you already have the 6" fan, you may not need the 4". I would attach a filter inside the top of the tent to the 6 " fan and suck the air out the top. Much more efficient to have the bigger fan and filter on the top and it will cool better by drawing the cooler air from the bottom and taking the heat from the light and air out the top. You may need a controller to control the speed of the 6" fan with a small tent. Amazon also has 6 inch filters, controllers and hose at the same area as the 4" setup.

As @yoshi stated, more than a couple plants in that size tent will be crowded even with Autoflower but yours are fems so it will definitely be crowded. Cutting the veg time short (less than 4 weeks) will help control the size of the plant.

DO you have a pH meter to test your water? If not you need one. pH is CRITICAL for growing good plants. You’re growing in soil so your range of pH (sweet spot) should be 6.5 with a range of 6.3 to 6.8. The run-off (water coming out of the bottom of the pot after watering) should be in the range of 6.5 - 6.8

Hope this helps. Give me a holler if you need more information. Jerry

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Ok, so notes I have taken so far.

Tent might be too small, even for my short plants. - After reading about it, I plan to scrogg them once they start getting big enough. (Also, if things got real bad and I needed space, I could move out from the tent and straight into the closet the tent is in. Obviously not ideal, but I could make it work by throwing in some supplemental lights.

Fans - Lots of different opinions here. I have a 6in inline fan now. After reading, it sounds like I need to set it up at the top of the tent as an exhaust fan. I will start the process of acquiring a 4in inline fan to use as intake on the bottom. Do I really need a Carbon Scrubber for my 6in fan, or is it more of a smell control thing (smell should not be an issue)? My 6in fan has a filter currently have on it.

pH Meter - I have both a soil and a water test kit. The soil is showing close to 7, but I think it is a false reading because the probes can’t get very far down on the 6in pot the seeds were started in. Once they move to the big pots, the soil meter will help more. I have not tested the water runoff yet. I will water them good this morning and check the pH of the runoff to get back to yall with.

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Beat me to the question good sir …

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When you say inline fan 6inch whats the CFM on it can you take a picture of it
Reason i ask is there are duct booster fans and centrifical fans just want to make sure we are talking about the right fan :smiley: always have bigger fan on top of tent pulling the hot air out of tent

You are good to ask. I was wrong, I have a 6in duct booster fan that is rated at 240cfm. It has a filter on it currently.

What is the difference between inline and duct booster?

Also, the third picture from my first post shows the fan in the bottom left corner.

Here is a link to the fan on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008N4QIZG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As I understand fans, the 6" duct booster is not a good fan for using in tents. The 4" (or a 6") inline fan would be a better choice for the top and you may not even need the duct booster unless you cannot control the heat. If you do need it, the bottom may be a better place for it. I would not put a filter on the 6" duct fan. As long as you have vents on the bottom, a fan will pull air through the tent and generally do a good job. You are running an LED and they are cooler to run than other lights so heat is less of an issue.

Even if you go to a 2x4 tent the 4" fan is more than enough fan for the job. The one I showed you has a controller on it so you can control how much air is moved through the tent.

The carbon scrubber is something I would recommend for all indoor tents. The smell of flowering can be overpowering to smell all day and night.

Hope that was what you were looking for as far as an answer. Jerry

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Hey @aronman

you need to get a pH meter and start testing your water or all the ventilation in the world isn’t going to matter! :+1:

ph and tds meters

ph up & Down

https://www.amazon.com/General-Hydroponics-GH1514-Control-Kit/dp/B000BNKWZY/ref=sr_1_2?tag=greenrel-20

Another thing is that miracle grow soil. That really can be a tough soil for a new grower. I will let the other guys make recommendations for other soils @Niala

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FERTILIZER ANALYSIS

0.03 - 0.03 - 0.03

It’s not bad , not too hot and does not have long time slow release nutrients, so it will be fine…

One important question is: what is the pH of your water ?

And the more important questionning here is do you have a digital pH PEN meter , a soil probe pH meter, do you use strip or drop ??? @aronman

It’s really important, the reading accuracy is totally different from one to another…

pH pen is the more accurate one, however, need to be calibrate properly. You must use already pH solution at pH already determinated and that is not past dated, or, made your own with the powder that is suppose to come with your pH pen kit, with 0 ppm water (distill water, reverse osmosis water or five stage filtred water.)

Soil probe, if not adequately rince with distill, reverse osmosis or five stage filtred water, gone a quickly loose there accuracy, between 4 to 5 use. It have an accuracy of +/-1, if you have a very good one, past around 10 to 15 reading, the probe is generaly unreliable (+/-2)

For drops or strips, if they are pass dated, forget them. Otherwise, they have an accuracy of +/- 0.5.

Respond to the questionning is gone a be more than helpful for us to help you :grinning:

~Al :innocent: :v:

@bob31 I do not have a digital pH Meter or a TDS meter at all. I do have a soil pH probe and the exact pH Up and Down kit you linked, which has the drop test.

I use Distilled Water for a runoff water test with the drops this afternoon. They are all reading at a light green that looks to be between 6.5 and 7, which I think is the sweet spot.

@Niala I am using Distilled Water now, and it is pH Neutral. I currently have a soil probe and drop test kit for pH.

I also changed my tent around to have my 6in fan doing exhaust from the top, and a little 3-4in desk fan moving air around inside. Going to leave that for a few hours to see how the temps range.

The good news I am taking from all of this is that despite the mishaps these things are still growing. Today is the end of the first week, and all 3 have sprouted with one already starting to stretch up a bit.

ok @aronman thats cool for now. I think you should consider purchasing a ph meter and tds meter for the time when you want to add nutrients. Things can really go south fast when any sort of nutrient is added to the mix.

The TDS meter lets you know if you’re adding too much nutrients and keep your ph tight ensures that the nutrients are properly used by your plant. Unfortunately indoor growing is very suseptible to issues due to pH.

We see it on a daily basis!

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