Twelve1's Journal: Learning to LST with White Widow Autos, and first run with Grow Dots

Thanks. So you use the thicker wire on the larger branches, I presume?

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Yes! Exactly :100:

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Hi, when mine were babies i used whatever i could find around the house ( washers, nuts, )


As they got older i used tons of pipe cleaners… i personally dont like using the thicker rubber.( didnt seem to work for me lol )

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I did this today. Is it too much? The baby branches will find their way out, right? LOL. Well, the lower branches are beginning to catch up with the top, phew!

Any advice?

Marie is looking better (but not too much different) and has grown a bit, so I replaced a thin pipe cleaner with garden wire, and I was able to move a fan leaf out of the way of lower, newer growth to get light in that area. But there wasn’t anything new to tie down.

I was more comfortable with the initial LST, however the fiddling around the new, delicate growth areas is very tricky, and it seems just a matter of time before I break another little branch or two. I think I’m trying to talk myself into topping and only initial/small amounts of LST for future grows. :crazy_face: I’ll see. :eyes:

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You’re doing right, imo. :+1:

Just make sure the leaves are not touching the soil. Or it will create a damp spot… no good…

Have an emergency kit ready.
Some honey or aloes to sterilize any wounds.
Some teflon tape (my preferred method because it stretches with the branch/stem) or any other kind of tape to wrap around any split or open wounds…

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Yep. They’ll grow for the light. :v:

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Ah toot, derrrrrrr, duhhhhh, dohhhhh … but of course, but I did it anyway. I left one fan leaf on the soil a couple of days ago, since I didn’t know if the LST would take and that I’d remove the leaf later, and yet there it was, still. It’s a nice fan leaf. I don’t like cutting those off, but it’s not doing any good in faceplant position. RIP nice fan leaf!

Whadya think, a bit of excess nitrogen? The leaf, certainly not my very pale, vampiric hand. :unamused: :dotted_line_face: I did the heavy rate application on the Grow Dots; as others have pointed out, the heavy rate could be a bit much.

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Honestly it looks alright to me. It may be a bit much for a young plant but as she grows into her roots you’ll find that the amount of N provided by the dots is comfortable.

I have been feeding my Zkittlez with a full strength dose of Jacks once or twice a week in addition to her heavy application of Dots. She looked a bit green around the gills for a little while (about a week before I put her into the flowering room) but now that she’s in full flower stretch, she seems perfectly content.

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Thanks for the info and GD feedback (looks like I’m cursing, :rofl: I’m NOT )!

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I have a couple of questions (below), but first pics this morning of both plants and Marie.

Below, Marie :zzz: Not that big and LST on her has been minimal since there seem to be few opportunities with her being smaller and not very bendable, so I haven’t pushed it with her.

This morning was Jedi’s watering day, so I loosened the stake a bit in order to lift the foliage further from the soil so that I could effectively water and to prevent any leaf tips from sitting on wet soil.

In the pics below, you’ll see how the one fan leaf that I’m pointing to is blocking lots of light, even on the other side with new growth that isn’t pictured. I don’t like cutting fan leaves when I don’t need to, but … If I should cut off the leaf, then please tell me that she has plenty of leaves for her photosynthesis and sugar production. :face_exhaling: :crazy_face:

Or, might the new growth quickly catch up and past the fan leaf so that it’s better not to cut it off?

Thank you all!

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Don’t worry, you are doing wonderfully well, imo. :nerd_face:

And yes, your baby has enough leaves that you could cut that one off and she won’t mind.
If you really don’t like taking away so much leaf in one go, you can always just cut parts of the leaf and leave most of it there… like some do when they clone…

You can see in this picture what I mean… You cut away a lot of green stuff that blocks light using this method…

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Thanks for the thorough info and questions… most of the same ones I have… but you put them out there better :+1: I was just wondering the same thing… I just tucked Cheech for now til I top her I think…

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Be careful of the leaves touching the ground… It may create a wet spot after watering… That in turn leaves a spot with higher humidity and you run the risk of getting WPM, which is a real pain in the a** to get rid of… :nerd_face:

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Done, thanks! Later, I’ll update more.

@SnkeyezCobra , I’m glad my posts have helped! Gorgeous plant you have! I “think” that your plant is too late for topping or fimming, but more experienced folks can chime in. @kaptain3d

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If it’s a photo, you can have all the time you want. Just make sure you let her recover, about a week usually, before flipping her to flowers :bouquet: :nerd_face:

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I just assumed that SnkeyezCobra’s plant was an auto, LOL, I’m self-absorbed at the moment. :joy:

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Thanks… should I cut them now? I was leafing them… lol :joy: … bad joke since it’s young still and didn’t want the others to touch the soil when I started lst? If she is good without I will cut… but was trying to let her establish before I started freaking her out… the only one growing “perfect” so I’m nervous haha… yes I only have photos so time is on my side… glad I chose them for my first honestly

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Good look tho!! That’s what I love here can always throw out knowledge if it doesn’t apply to one it will to the next!! :+1::+1: Grow em big!!

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Your call. She’s tall enough to stand it…
It depends what you want to achieve :wink:
If you want a shorter plant you can top of fim her now… or you could wait a little bit and get a taller plant. Both would work, imo…

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Thanks, @kaptain3d , and I’ve partially cut leaves before, and that’s what I had to do today on one leaf in particular. Earlier today, I cut off that fan leaf, and I moved another fan leaf out of the way - it made a big difference! :+1:

I removed the wire stake because it seemed, to me, to be interfering with the young shoots. Using the nub from the removed/cut fan leaf, I wrapped a pipe cleaner around the nub and then wrapped the pipe cleaner around the wire stake that I put near the edge of the bag. I’m probably not explaining that well, LOL, I’m in a hurry.

Both plants have grown today, and one of Jedi’s branches will be ready to be tied soon.

I have a question: I can’t tell exactly where one of the lowest branches underneath is located; I mean, it’s there, but I think I might have moved both sides to either side of the main stalk, but I can’t find out what’s going on without disturbing too much growth. If you at all can discern what I’m trying to say, should I just let the branch be and it will figure out where/how to grow? I know, right … the plants are much smarter than me, geeeez!

Below is a pic of the pipe cleaner around the cut off fan leaf nub, to try to keep that area down a bit without damaging the young growth:

So much more open, and on the right is the newer fan leaf moved out of the way; on the left, hard to see/point out, is the most mature branch that can be trained soon:

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