Hey Growmies,
I have taken a hiatus and now I am getting back at it in a new location in a different environment.
Seeds: ILGM Zkittlez Autoflower
Planted: 11/11/22
Sprouted between 11/12 - 11/14
Nutes: Fish $hit, Silica, and Jack 321
Medium: Coco
Light: HLG Scorpion Diablo
Light Schedule: 18/6
Light intensity: 60K lux at top of plants
Location of grow: Garage
Tent: 4x4
Temps: 57 degrees with no lights, high of 82 degrees, avg 71.5
Relative Humidity: avg 71%
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Hey Growmies,
I have taken a hiatus and now I am getting back at it in a new location in a different environment.
Seeds: ILGM Zkittlez Autoflower
Planted: 11/11/22
Sprouted between 11/12 - 11/14
Nutes: Fish $hit, Silica, and Jacks 321
Watering 2x per day, with an automatic watering device connected to a reservoir with a wave maker inside of 25 gallon container.
Medium: Coco
Light: HLG Scorpion Diablo
Light Schedule: 18/6
Light intensity: 60K lux at top of plants
Location of grow: Garage
Tent: 4x4
Temps: 57 degrees with no lights, high of 82 degrees, avg 71.5
Relative Humidity: avg 71%
I use the VDP chart for guidance: Vapor Pressure Deficit - The Ultimate Guide - Dimlux Lighting - The Best Grow Lights
Here is my issue that I am looking for advice for.
In the pic plants 3,4,5 all suffered from over watering. Even though each plant received the same amount of water the drainage was not the same and therefore kept more moisture in the medium for those plants. The result was that the root ball did not develop as well as plants 1,2,6. This lead to the plants being shocked and stunned growth.
These plants were all transplanted when they were 4 weeks out of the ground.
To me it appears as though plants 3,4,5 are getting passed being shocked.
I am looking for advice on maximizing my grow.
Where I live I can grow a total of 6 plants regardless of their size.
Therefore, I am considering moving plants 3,4,5 to another 4x4 that I can setup with a Mars Hydro TS 3000. I have 2 Mars Hydro TS 3000’s and a TS 2000. I had bought the Scorpion diablo light to fully develop my plants as I was told that the Mars Hydro lights would not fully mature my bud.
The alternative would be to prop up the plants 3,4,5 on something to raise the plants closer to the light.
Concerns: I do not want to burn the under developed plants. I do not want to slow the growth of the ore developed plants: Ultimately, I want good bud to enjoy.
Thank you in advance for your input,
Happy Growing MoFo,
I have light envy lol. You sound like you already know what you need to do, I’d like to hang out while you get it all dialed in growmie. 
Thanks @Fieldofdreams
I have enough equipment to setup 2 x 4x4 tents.
With each having its own auto watering system, lights, circulation of air, ventilation with carbon filters. So I can setup a second tent. This is the direction I am leaning towards. Although I want to use the tent with the Scorpion Diablo light to maximize my plants.
Scenario 1:
3 best plants stay in the tent with the Diablo
Scorpion light. I feel this would allow me to get the best results for the three plants that are already growing the best. I would space them out in the tent. I would hope that these plants will flower around the same time and I plan to use MPK as a foilar spray. If all three plants started flowering at the same time then I would not have to worry about overspray going to unintended plants.
This would include me setting up an adjacent 4x4 tent with at least 1 Mars Hydro TS3000. I would put the three runts into this secondary tent.
Positives: I can push the 3 best plants harder by increasing light and watering/nutes.
Negatives: second light increases costs, takes up more space, need more equipment.
Best case scenario: Both sets of 3 plants grow at the same pace.
Worst case: The 3 runts will start flower at different times, low producing plants
Scenario 2:
I keep all plants in 1 4x4 tent. I would put a box under the smaller plants to raise closer towards the light. I would hope and pray that the runts would stretch out and develop and catch up to the height of the larger plants.
Positives: all plants under the best light, only running 1 light (costs less). I have a second automatic watering device I can run to smaller plants to fine tune water/nutes
Negatives: if I crank up lights for big plants it may be too much for smaller plants. They may never grow to be big since they were so frazzled be being shocked.
Best Case Scenario: all the stars and planets align.
Worst Case Scenario: I will have wasted time and space on the small plants. Trying to get the smaller plants to develop to the stages of the larger plants can and most likely take away from the development potential if the larger plants.
These are the items I can see benefits and drawbacks. I am interested to hear if others think there is something that is not being considered.
Also the tents are on a concrete slab in the garage. It does not get too much below 30 degrees outside. I have seen posts where some others have mentioned a heat mat or putting insulation under their tents.
Man, that’s more thinking that I like to do.
Good luck, you sound like you’ll figure it out soon enough!
@Oldguy i have seen you voice opinions on autos. If you’re willing to share your thoughts it would be great.
Thanks in advance,
MoFo
So far I have raised and turned up the lights. I used my lux meter to measure output so that the smaller plants will get slightly higher light and the taller plants get about 10% higher light.
If the smaller plants start to accelerate and grow this would be great. I am concerned that I may be wasting time with the smaller plants.
I will continue to monitor over the next 3-4 days and if there is not significant change I will move out the lessor developed plants and put them in a different tent.
Starting over may get your smaller plants out, but that means replacing with even smaller plants or having dead space. I would just keep going exactly how they are, especially if you feel smaller plants have recovered.
Auto flowers are terribly fussy. You get some that fire on all cylinders while others tends not to. Make one mistake and they will never recover fully. The big plants will produce well. The small ones will give you great bud but small yields. So it depends on what you’re looking for, max amount of bud or you’re okay with what you get.
@dbrn32 @shindig153 thank you for your replies.
I ultimately want good bud, and it looks like the smaller plants are getting better. I would rather have good quality bud than open space in the tent. I have posted an updated pic and I have also started bidding on 3 plants.
Maybe im wrong on this bc i do not do autos, but 60000 lux is around 980 ppfd and at 18 hrs of light is a dli of 63. This seems like a really high dli. And with your temp change of 25 degrees day to night indoors can be hard on the ladies. Irregardless of any condition you will undoubtedly have hard time maintaining even canopy without lst but i think you will have better success lowering your dli to a max of 55 for autos.
And based on chart, i would think you wanna be around 45 dli unless your in a sealed room with co2
Imo that’s normal variation with auto flower. When I grew 4 WW autos at the same time my plants were a similar spread from small to big. I don’t think you did anything wrong
@Poseidon1 thanks for posting about DLI I have been wanting to learn more about DLI. I do not have a sealed environment or C02. I will read up and make some adjustments.
@Bluntsmoke thanks, I used a mixture of plastic starter pots and solo cups. This is my 3rd auto grow and I have had fluctuation in plant growth. Just to make sure I am not sabotaging future grows I will either drill additional holes in the solo cups or use all small starter pots.
Just do not forgot this important part. When converting lux to ppfd, you need specific led information based on the color of light and such. But since you have a bad@ss scorpion diablo, you can go to there website and input your lux value into the qb648 board chart to get a accurate conversion. Do not input wrong light when converting. Another reason i love hlg besides them building the boards in ohio
@Poseidon1 I brought down my Lux to 50K that translates to about a DLI of 50 I had noticed some drooping on the leaves I feel this will help. Thanks for pointing that out.
I had 2 mars tsw2000 in my 8x4… got 20 punces off 5 plants dried and tested at 20 percent thc
@Jestertz what strain were you growing and getting a QP per plant? Autos or Photos, and what medium?
Just to reiterate for those following along. I have lowered my DLI to 50 at the beginning of yesterdays light cycle.
The larger plants leaves have started droopping so I hope the lowering of the light intensity will solve this problem.
I had 5 clones. Soil n perlite mix. Advanced nutrient ph perfect. Myco supremem and tricoderma fungi. Chemdawg and mimosa
Photos all of them
Them are some sexy looking buds. Great job
