Hello to all:
I’m days from harvesting a blue cheese, and have 4, 1 week old seedlings (1 Bruce Banner, 1 Blue cheese, 2 White Widow) in the batters box. My plan is to veg them one month, then flower. I’m growing in 3 g fabric pots/ FFOF soil,inoculated with multiple species of Mychorrhiza. I’m banking on theres enough food to see them into flower with only pH’d RO water and cal/mag. I’ll feed with FF Tiger Bloom, Big Bloom when in flower.
What I’m shooting for is a organic grow. or as much so as possible. Advice/ prayers would be appriciated. Happy Trails
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Good luck 
go easy on the bottled nutes as they can lead to lockout later on without flushing… if you want to stay organic as possible try some top dress dry amendments vs the synthetic bottled stuff… the FF big bloom is organic food for the soil microbes and good stuff indeed but the FF TBloom is a synthetic and can lead to issues if overdone… a nice topdress of worked in amendments will take you further with alot less applications than the bottled stuff… just my 2 cents if you are looking to stay on the organic side of things…
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Thanks, and yes it’s my intent to use no added nutrients during veg. Thanks for the heads up on the Tiger Bloom. Could you recommend a top dress, when and how to use? In my reading both the Lacto & Mycorrhizal enable the plant to use available foods already in the soil. I’ve found instructions for using each, but not simultaneously… Note: both flourish in different pH ranges.
This is more an experiment, so if it poops the bed,I won’t need therapy…Just killin time before Spring thaw, and figured on trying something new.
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ive had alot of sucess top dressing with things like a dry bio-fish around a 7-7-2 ish in veg and would repeat with the same and some additionals like a high P value seabird quanno around 0-11-0 prior to going into flower or something similar… i build a soil with all kinds of amendments from crushed oyster, alfalpha meal, kelp meal, guanno, bone meal, blood meal, azomite, ect… i have had some great sucess buy just building the super soil and plant into it when ready and never add another thing but tepid tab water which for me is a 7.0 ph… you can def keep the microbes going strong with the occasional compost tea and FF Bbloom… organics are easy if you do the work up front with the soil… just use the recommened amounts of whatever you choose to amend with and loosly spead and work it into the top soil layer and water… thats about it once everything is in order… its kinda nice not messing with all the bottled stuff anymore… im not knocking any of them… thats just what i ptefer to do… no nute burn or lockout issues that way… hope this helps out in some manner…
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We build soil large scale for our farm…different recipes for different applications …same goes true for the Mycorrhizia introduced… an amazing science. The question is this, does the FFOF contain all the essentials, provided I maintain proper management ? The introduction of the Mycorrhizia at final transplant coupled with the (homemade)EM1 should make this a living soil. The fact that the plants will only be veging 30 days… I don’t know. I have plenty of supersoil onhand, but thought I’d try this. This will be a good experiment in feed the soil vs feed the plant. The FFOF is basically organic out the bag ?
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it is great soil for sure and if you are only veggin for 30 days it may be close but i think you may need to give them a boost midway or so into flower… i have used most of their soils as well and they all were pretty great but that seemed to be the case for me in various container sizes… i didnt have to amend them alot but it did need a boost to finish getting through flower… but if this is just a for fun run try going that soil only as long as you can and keep an eye on them as you get into flower… you might try a flower compost tea also just to see if thats enough to get them through without applying any nutes or amenments at all… its all about learning what works best for you and the strains you grow and sometimes experiment grows are where we learn the most…
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Been using Earthworms since the 70’s, but never indoors. I’ll toss a 1/8c wigglers (Lumbricus Terrestris) in each pot. When flowering comes around I’ll only use the Big Bloom, shouldn’t effect the worms. It’ll be interesting to see how the different plant species react in a similar environment. I’ll update this every couple weeks, Thanks and Happy Trails
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ill be keeping an eye also looking for any updates… i bet they will do just fine
Nice conversation guys. I’m trying to soak up information to build soil for my next go around. I’ll watch this also.
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thank you and its always great to have more growers in topic discussions… thats great about you building your own soil… can make life alot smoother through the grow process … i bet you will do great and we would love to see the results when you get things going with that…
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I keep running into a book titled True Living Organics. I feel like I need to get it.
i have that book… bought it several years back and learned quite a bit from it…
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You could cut all the bullshit and get a free sample of Greenleaf Mega Crop. I use it and swear by it. Vegan all organic. Read up on it, the day I found it changed my life.
will def check into it
@Wannabe where can i find more info? you have my interest. not seeing anything about it being vegan or organic. i’ve been looking for an organic dry nute line for hydro applications.
Good morning All: Thought I’d update my 4 plant SOG experiment. Plants were vegged 30 days,fimmed once @3rd node and started on 12/12 cycle 3/1/20. Temp 64/73* Humidity 47/57%. Other than pH’d water with calmag,I relied on the FFOF to provide all the food throughout the veg cycle.I think it did well. I’ll be using FF Big Bloom & Tiger Bloom
during the flowering phase, I was wanting to go as organic as possible, but have the items on hand.
I have some concerns: 1. Is the combined nitrogen content of calmag & FF Tiger Bloom too high for the flowering stage, considering the container size? I think dealing with a deficiency is preferable to toxicity. 2.would adding a 600w Viperspectra LED alongside the Phillizon 1200w be overkill? I can keep the temp/humidity in boundaries easily, but don’t want to stress them. I had good results using only the 1200,on a single plant grow who’s canopy occupied the same surface area, but was wondering how far the envelope might be stretched.
So far It’s.working I’ve purposely let them boogie on their own as opposed to fretting/fussing over them as in my last grows, The 3g fabric pots coupled with the OF worked well for a short duration veg, and portable. I built a lazy Susan out of a 2’x2’ ABS drainage grate with casters. I can access plants, remove them for examining and watering at eye level elsewhere. Pump up sprayer works well for watering, it’s slow but the best method I think.
As always, your input and advice is invaluable and most welcome. Happy Trails
I wanna see a pic of the lazy Susan you mentioned.
Your plants will tell you if it is too much light. Someone talked about it the other day. I forget who but, the leaves kinda curl into canoes. Your tips may start to brown followed by whole leaves. Try it out when you have time to monitor every few hours. If the plants ain’t telling you they are hurting with their sign language then you are good to go.
Your spaces temp will rise, so you gotta keep that adjusted, and then you’re good to go.
Someone else, I think it was @LoCoRock said keep adding lights till you pop the breaker.
Oh and I havent used both of those fertilizers together, but it’s usually safe to follow their directions but use 50% of what they call for when you begin. Start slow, just watch your plants. If they dont scream at you, get up to the directions level and you’re good.
Be a few days before I can get you a picture of Lazy Susan, as I just watered. It’s a 2x2 abs drainage grate, I drilled holes in the corners and installed cheap swivel casters. I saw some trick 12" round plant caddys with casters for $7.00 at walmart, Great for anyone contemplating a like grow.
Tried both lights for 3 hours, and saw the start of light stress, so I dropped the 600w.
Yep, I’ll be judicious in feeding.