Leaves Falling Off Plant

Correct

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Ok i will try to have an update on #'s in the morning

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Ok heres numbers i calibrated use distilled water .. watered till runoff .. disposed runoff

For the nutrient deficiency plant 5.50 ph , 6170 ppm

Fp 1 .. 5.55 ph , 4270 ppm

Fp 2 .. 5.20 ph , 3760 ppm

Fp 3 .. 5.80 ph , 3130 ppm

Didn’t do wedding cake .. waiting until feeding day ..

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Anywhere from 5.5 to 6.5 ph is in range the plants get more for veg growth from a higher ph and more for budding in a lower and idk anything about soil or anything tbh just hydro. but the ppm seems really high but growdoc knows more about that than me lol i only do hydro

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This is the gh ph chart that goeswith the liquid you have it tells you generallywhat they got more and less of in the differentph zones


I look for it to be yellowish when i check using the liquid

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Yes i have that chart .. i really haven’t been checking ph when feed but when i did it was reading between 5 & 6 .. the water coming out the faucet reads 7 before nutrients are added .. .. but then again that was before i calibrated it ..

why is my ppm so high ?

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The tap should be 7 coming out and idk i just usually see people mixing it to about 2000 ppm give or take fox farm says about 2k for budding in soil

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In soil you want your runoff ph to be in the 6.3 to 6.8 range. You are running way to low and locking out nutrient uptake.

Not familiar with your ph/ppm pen but be sure your reading ppm and not ec(or do the conversion) and be sure its reading on the 500 scale(or convert the numbers). Ppm numbers you posted are way to high. If those are actually ec numbers you are close but still a bit high. You ultimately want your runoff to be around 1000 - 1200ppm(2000 - 2400ec).

I would do water only for the next few waterings or as @growdoc said you may need to flush. You can water at your taps ph of 7 which may help bring your runoff ph up into an acceptable range. Just be sure to wait till the soil is nearly bone dry. Drench to drought.

I’ll leave it at that and let growdoc jump back in when he has time. Always best to tag in members who are helping.

:sign_of_the_horns::sign_of_the_horns:

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Sort, been busy in shop today. The high runoff is nute buildup where the are unable to uptake them because of the PH. Excess salts drop PH, then PH won’t allow uptake so it snowballs and gets worse. I would flush them next watering, going in with water PHd to 6.5 and I would run it through them until the runoff is very close to 6.5 and ppm is well under 1000. Then immediately give them a feed at half strength, PHd to 6.5 and let them dry out, you should see instant improvement. It will take approximately 15 gals to flush a 3 gallon pot. Once you get the PH and ppm correct, they will explode. Soil runoff tends to run a bit higher than hydro because there are some TDS that have no EC value. Yours is still much too high!

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It’s the same for hydro i try to keep my ppm to about 1200 and it goes up to about 1500 1600 when the plants are drinking more water than nutes and yeah growdoc put in all the work i figured I’d let him help i just wanted to say my bit haha

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I’m hydro, or at least Promix, I run mine at 1100 max in flower if hand watering, Autopots get 600-700 because of no runoff. But I’ve grown in most everything at some time. Got some going in a burn pile of ashes that came up on their own. We bust our azz trying to give them what they need and nature just grows them on their own!

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I used to but I’ve been using more micro and i started using kool bloom so it raised it a little

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So let me make sure i have this correct cause I’m new to it ..

On my next watering i basically just need to put it under the faucet and turn it on :sweat_smile: .. im kidding..

But 15 gals of water ima have to do that outside :weary_face: …

So on next watering, 30 tsp of sledge hammer in 15 gals of water for each plant right

Tap runs at 7 ph ..

Each gal of sledge hammer i flush with i make sure its phd to 6.5 ? By either adding ph up or ph down

When you say half dose instead of 1 tsp of each nutrient.. i do half of that

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Correct on all counts, you got this! It’ll take a bit of time to flush them, but it needs doing at those numbers.

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So it wouldn’t be ideal to go ahead and flush now since now they are only going off water for d next 3 days ..

And for the 1 i have in flower already should i do the same or try and get the numbers to ideal range

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Not really losing leaves anymore for the 1 in flower ..

When you say immediately give it a half dose wouldn’t it just run through it

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It will run thru but some will remain to feed the plant, you just flushed the soils nutes out to reset your media, so you want nutes in the last thing to pass through. I would flush them as soon as I could.

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I’d give the flowering one PHd water until ppm drops and PH is back in range.

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No nutes just phd watering on next water for flower 1 u mean?

Flushing in flower isnt good right?

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If it was high ppm, yes , until ppm comes back down, then feed again. Don’t like to flush in flower, but I will if it’s warranted.

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