First grow struggling

I figured it was finally time to ask for some help. I’m a first time grower and it’s been going just not going well. The plant is around 10weeks old. The leaves always seems to be laying down. If the soil is bone dry they are down and when I water/feed they raise some but still hang down.

I just started the flower cycle a week ago and it does appear to be reacting to it.

Ive been using this spiderfarmer se3000 light for 2 weeks now. I had the light much closer originally but decided to raise it after hearing it may be heat/light stress causing my new leaves to be 3d texured and laying down. That actually made a improvement for a day but now it’s right back to looking sad.

I’m using the fox farms 3. Right now it’s been watered twice a week with a gallon of water and 2tsp big bloom, 2tsp grow big, 2tsp tiger bloom.

Please let me know what you think. I’m going crazy just waiting for things to get better on its own.



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Welcome to the forum and community! Don’t worry you’re in good hands with the people here.

Im gonna say thirsty and hungry, what size pot are you in? Lemme get some more experienced growers in here

@spankyjr1 @OGIncognito @PurpNGold74 @Myfriendis410

Also try filing out an ILGM support ticket, I’ll find one and paste it

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COPY/PASTE the below list into your forum post.

Answer these simple questions the best you can. If you aew not sure, just bring it to oue attention. We will figure it out.

  1. Indoor or outdoor? - size of grow?
  2. Otigin of seeds?
  3. Regular, feminized, or autoflower?
  4. Origin of water. PH, EC/TDS of source water?
  5. PH and TDS/EC of if mixed solution?
  6. Grow method? Soil, Soil-less, Coco, Hydro, Aquaponics. Please explain.
  7. Nutrients or fertilizer system used.
  8. What typr of lighting are you using? LED, HID (MH, CMH, HPS), or Fluorescents? Please elaborate.
  9. What are the temps in your growspce? Day / Night?
  10. What is the RH = relative humidity in your growspace? Day / Night?
  11. AC, Humidifier, De-humidifier?
  12. Do you have a Ventilation system? Size? 4", 6"?
  13. Co2 Yes / No?
  14. How long have you been growing?
  15. What budget have you set in order to grow successfully?
  16. If you grow hydro, then please explain your hydro method. DWC, R-DWC, Ebb and Flow, Or; Other? Other?

16b. Size and temperature of solution in reservoir?

Always try to upload a clear picture in white light of any issues you may have to allow the community to identify your issue.

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How big are your pots?

How often are you watering?

Water pH!?

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I don’t think there’s enough water being watered, it looks to be a good size plant, I’m watering every 4-5 days and that’s at 1.5 gal with about a quart of runoff, week 5 of flower

I think it just needs more ph balanced water

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It looks fine, you’re simply not watering enough. Twice a week was probably fine before, but now it’s an awfully big plant for that 3 gallon pot.

Since you’ve been running on the dry side, a microbial boost wouldn’t hurt. Something like Fish Sh!t would be my preference.

Then I’d transplant into a 7 gallon fabric pot, and then give her a schwazz and switch to a 12/12 light cycle. She’s ready for flower!

Happy growing!

[EDIT]. Is that an auto? If so forget about my last paragraph.

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Agree with all above, have you watered to run off yet? I use ff soil and nutes and it is very important to flush, and follow your feeding schedule. Check you ppm coming out that will let you know where you are at and if you have any type of root lock out going on, making sure she is getting all the nutes you are feeding her? Best of luck and keep us informed

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I agree with @Kingkupa you probably need to flush the plant since you are using the trio, check your PH and PPM in your runoff at the beginning and end of the flush and post numbers
The support ticket @ThatsNotMineOfficer posted would help so we know what you’re dealing with

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@ThatsNotMineOfficer and @spankyjr1 gotcha covered :love_you_gesture:

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Also with fox farms cal mag is needed. Have you used any yet.

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Just reread I run fox farms trio and only feed half the recommended dose so 1 and a half teaspoons big bloom 1 teaspoon grow big and 1 teaspoons tiger bloom . When I put 9/5/5 in a 5 gallon bucket same order as above plus 20 mill of cal mag it comes to around 1250 ppm that will depend on your water though. Sometimes I throw a teaspoon of microbes in there but I always check ppm before that. After all is mixed I ph to 6.5 to 6.8 and feed. That is at the stage your at. Later on you may want to boost it. Every 3 feedings I started flushing with 500 ppm nute water plus 10 ml cal mag 5 five gallon fabric pots have 2 gallons run off. Oh I always water to run off about a gallon for all 5. Hope that makes sense.

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Solid advice all above. Very likely she’s underwaterd.

How big are those pots and what is your medium. An overallSupport Ticket would be invaluable.

A gallon every couple of days for a plant that size is cutting is close for not enough. Remember when adding any solution…. Pour slowly and in circles. Wait for the soil to wick up that which you poured, then pour more. Takes a bit longer but ensures no dry spots under the surface.

Most people start the FF Trio at half strength, but with a plant that mature, im sure she can handle at least almost full strength.

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I did just water it first thing this morning when the light came on. Im on a 12hr on off cycle. I slowly poured half of the gallon at a time. And then let the run off set in the pan for about 15mins. I then removed about a tenth of a gallon of run off water.

I don’t have a ppm or a ph tester. What are some good recommended ones?

And this is a 2.5gal pot. It sounds way too small now

1.Indoor grow in a 3x3 with a oscillating and exhaust fan
2.Seed is probably from a bombshell strain.
3.Regular photo
4.City water untested
5.not tested
6.Fox farm ocean forest soil
7.Fox farms 3
8.Spiderfarmer se3000 300w bar led
9.Day temp 72-75f night temp 66-75f
10.Day humidity 47% night around 60%
11.Trying to maintain 50% humidity with a house humidifier and dehumidifier
12. 1 fan exhausting out tent. Air coming in from bottom of tent. 1 fan oscillating in tent.
13.no co2
14.Around 10weeks old
15.Hobby grower will get what I need to for limited space

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It is it is. Thats a big healthy plant. Uppot her before too far into flower.

Apera 20 is the goto for pH meters. Best bang for buck money can afford. $50 for piece of mind I cant explain enough.

The ppm meter is less finicky. Can get a cheapo Vivosun one for $11.

Also get you some calmag.

Have you flush any all grow? FF nutes are notoriously salt based and flushing on schedule can save a grow

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With the plant in the pan? If so she will wick that run off back into her medium potentially locking the roots out from taking in nutrients. Do you have anything to sit them on so theres space between the pot and catch pan to prevent this?

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You will need a good ph meter and a tds meter.
Till then check with city could be on there website what ph is if it is like mine around 8 with my mix in 5 gallon bucket I use 1 to 1 and a half lids from this bottle error on the safe side with 1 lid full.


When I add the microbes I only need a quarter of a cap.
Also with the way I mix it I some times get a little leaf tip burn. Don’t worry about it it will just be a tiny bit. That just means you are pushing them to their limits. They can handle it. If your not getting any tip burn within 4 days hit them harder with the big bloom and tiger bloom leave the big grow at 1. When you start to see a little tip burn it means they are giving you their all. Just a little no mor than a 1/4 inch if more or at anytime they get more back off a little but keep up with the cal mag. Sometimes 10 sometimes 20 depends on what I feel like that day. The way your look to me I would be going with 20 for a couple of times. Make sure you get cal mag with iron. Like this.
Botanicare HGC732110 Cal-Mag Plus, A Calcium, Magnesium, And Iron Plant Supplement, Corrects Common Plant Deficiencies, Add To Water Or Use As A Spray, 2-0-0 NPK, Quart https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004JKBMRW/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_ZPYNEF4MRKANS3XRHJRQ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

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I have a ph and a ppm meter on order now for tomorrow. I’ll also get see what larger pot I can find around 5-7gal tomorrow.

Ive never flushed it.

And I didn’t think about it being bad to suck up the runoff. I will get a way to rase the pot out of the drip pan.

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Yea the sitting in runoff will SKYROCKET salt buildup. If your flushing normally it probably wouldnt matter much.

But as ur not, its probably only exacerbating the issue

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You have a lot getting thrown at you. It is all good advice. Sounds like you are taking it in and taking the necessary action. I was in a very similar situation in term of needing help and my plants were really sick. With the forum’s help they made it and ended up with a nice harvest.
This is a good article on runoff and ph

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If she bounces back after a good watering. She needs a good housecleaning of a lot of the leaves and extra growth. Thick is ok but not overgrown and crowded isn’t. So, after she rebounds and before you flip her to flower, remove the stuff on the bottom and center of the plant. Some call this lollipopping if you want to look it up.
Good luck

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Do you have any used soil. I ask because fox farms has enough nutes in it for 4 or 5 weeks of veg and if you put fresh ocean forest in there you will not know what ppm you need because you will have old soil next to main root ball and new on outside were roots are growing into it 2 different ppm. So even taking ppm run off reading won’t be accurate. That will make it hard to know how many ppm of nutes to feed.
Another thing I’m concerned with is stressing a flowering plant with a Transplant not saying it will but could cause her to maf. (Get balls)
Some do all their grows in 3 gallon pots you are only 1/2 gallon away from that. (Would feel more comfortable saying this if it was a fabric pot) . You don’t have to necessarily transplant just be diligent with the water. You may have to do it every day and later in flower 2 times a day. If that is the case feed nutrients water then plain water then nutrient water and so on. (Switching back and forth to run off will help keep the salts down) so you don’t get nut lock. I am concerned about her being root bound since it is not a cloth pot. Do a search on solo cup challenge I have to say it is for more experienced growers but you can finish her in a 2 and a half gallon. Then do your next one in a bigger pot. All transplanting with photos should be done before flower.

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