Iâm not sure i agree with that guy all the way. Yes very big rabbit hole here. This highlights why people will âscrubâ their plants to get rid of things prone to mold,and fungal diseases, but then you hit the now itâs a gmo plant after going through the lab and the lab can process your plants and tell you if youâre on the right track to get what youâre looking for. This Is expensive but takes 5 to 8 years off your growing everything out and turn it into a 18 month project.
This will be good when more leaf tissue analysis is more available because the other expressions will be what terps,thcâs,and cannabinoid are in your plant if thereâs a home version of the test i would definitely buy it. But until federal laws change so I can submit fan leaves through the mail and some wont even take it if o drive it to the front door. But in the end how dose a regular guy compete against a bigger one with money or a corporate one. Obviously we will become craft cannabis growers but going to need that testing for the final selection and breed out to strain stability of bx 7 times my eyes and nose can get me to a f4 but after that I will need to test for the best fem/male. Kevin Jorday talked to me and 5 other people at a convention for how we could achieve this and he said it took him a couple years before he realized that the lab is a great tool
But hereâs one of his videos on breeding i know i probably got off topic but thereâs so much that goes into play with this rabbit hole lol
Well Iâm not sure what Iâm exactly looking for until I know whatâs possible.
As an example, letâs say that I drop 40 seeds, two of the phenos tick all the boxes of what I think I want, But one of them has an unusually high amount of CBG which turns out is beneficial for whatever reason.
I believe his point is that if you want to see all of the phenotype expressions, the good, the bad, and the ugly for both males and females you drop 40 seeds.
Lab testing or not, if you donât see it you/the lab wonât know it.
I imagine itâs possible to drop a single seed, breed it by another genotype/phenotype and take those to F100 and end up with something close to your goal, but by dropping 40 you have increased your chances of finding what you want greatly, this eliminating the need to go to F100.
Anyways, the dude is intelligent, has interviewed all the major breeders, and his rational is based in science. That is what caught my attention and made me want to share.
Easily as important as THC. If I just wanted that Iâd be fine but want the âentourage effectâ and a more flavorful experience. So definitely worth chasing.
Imo this going to depend heavily on what youâre after, and why. If youâre pheno hunting for mom to run sog type of grow, it certainly makes sense to drop whole pack of whatever you have, keep the best female and roll with it. That will provide you best plant out of pack so you have something to run. If youâre not 100% satisfied, you drop another pack in the meantime and work through those.
If youâre looking to do some breeding, then it maybe makes a little more sense to drop multiple packs. Your goal isnât produce flower immediately, so no rush to get anything into flower. And the long term expenses justify up front cost of seed stock and taking the time to make sure you have a keeper.
You also need to consider filial generation of seeds youâre working with. Something that has been inbred several generations wonât usually have as much variation from seed to seed. This can also be good or bad, depending on what youâre looking for.
I agree with the lab being beneficial but⌠I can grow my seeds look for what I am looking for and SMOKE IT. I dont need a lab to tell me if I get high and if it is what I want. Then I can give it to multiple people to test and then get their reports and opinions.
Then after all that if I have found what I like and others like it, THEN at that point hopefully I can somewhat stabiIize it and then I can send it to a lab to know the stats of what I have.
When I grew my âGod Weedâ in 1979 it took me only about 2 years. I grew it out after I found it to F5 or so with quick flower and not much veg time. All from giving results to people to âtestâ(smoke) and it worked out well.
So I guees I am saying grow, test, grow, test, test grow and you will know. Then for clarification when everyone like what you have send your prodigy to the lab for analysis to know what you came up with.
Yes I feel what your typing and huge rabbit hole
The Kevin jorday for it to be really possible is to work together on one strain and grow and cull and breed out the best and then share results and pollen
Man I wish you guys lived closer we could do some great things or just full on legal for every one
Iâm just growing weed. If I like a particular plant I will keep a cut around for it. If I realllllly like it I will breed it to make seeds for myself.
If I get lucky and something amazing comes out of that, so be it. I donât have any kids, so having my own awesome strain would be about the only legacy I might get to leave behind. Hehe.
But I am not going to seriously effort to create it. I am going to let the wind blow me and my garden where it may.
It shifts. A lot. A few strains donât take dust effectively for reasons unknown - you can wash the plant in dust and still get just a hundred seeds from the entire thing. Normally however itâs fruitful and you can undoubtedly get a great many seeds from a solitary plant. Obviously, the more seed you produce, the less smokable bud you produce, so a great many people do whatever it takes not to create any seed whatsoever.
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Be that as it may, it tends to be a smart thought in the event that you do it deliberately in a controlled manner. I like to seed the lower branches that wouldâve just delivered popcorn buds considerably under the best conditions.
That way I get 90% sensimilla buds for smoking, yet I likewise get seed to proceed with the rearing ventures Iâm chipping away at. You donât need to raise, in essence - individuals likewise make seeds to develop out one year from now without agonizing a lot over a drawn out task.
With an understanding of the cannabis genome, identifying genes for different terpenes, cannabinoids, and esters becomes possible. Same holds true for other traits. In a modern breeding program, your first selections happen at the seedling stage. Think about that. Youâre only growing out plants that stand a chance at having the traits youâre looking, and then it becomes a search for ideal ratios. Conventional breeding is fine, but it takes so much longer.
Right now we (home growers) are functionally limited to breeding for morphology, and limited chemovar/resistance traits. For example, I can observe a short, or purple, or duckweb leaf trait. I can observe through smell if a plant has certain chemicals present. I can determine if itâs homozygous or heterozygous for those genes. But even if I ingest a plant, I canât tell you what effect the same plant will have on anyone else; our own biochemistries seem to be so varied. Lab analysis (pyrolysis for example) letâs us correlate effect and chemotype, so we can make further selections as consumers and breeders.
