Has anyone had any experience with the new F1 Hybrid seeds available? A few seed banks are now offering true F1 seeds for better crop uniformity and less pheno variables
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The F1. It’s the result of crossbreeding two different parental lines. Like breeding a disease-resistant plant with a high-yielding plant. The F1 generation would inherit the best traits from both parents, like having strong disease resistance and producing well.
Now, let’s move on to the F2 generation. In this generation, the F1 plants are either self-pollinated or cross-pollinated. This leads to a wider range of traits in the offspring. So, if we take those F1 plants and let them pollinate each other, we might end up with some plants that have different colors, sizes, terpenes, or even different levels of disease resistance. You might hear the term “breeders playground” to describe f2’s, and for good reason.
Next up is the F3 generation. This is where things start to get more stable. select the plants from the F2 generation that have the desired traits and continue breeding them.
Moving to F4 generation. stabilizing the traits you want. continue selecting and breeding plants that have the desired characteristics. F4s should be consistent.
As for F5 basically a continuation of isolating traits. Sometimes plants can be negatively affected overall. Loss of vigor, yield, terpenes, disease resistance, etc.
S1 generation. This generation focuses on self-pollination within a single plant. It helps breeders uncover hidden traits and genetic variations.
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A great many seeds sold are F1.
F1 simply means 2 different strains that have no shared dna was crossed, this gives possible traits from both parents. @Low gave an excellent explanation.
But for stability we want IBL (inbreed line) seeds.
In most cases, an IBL is accomplished through backcrossing.
For this reason, IBLs may also be referred to as IBCs (inbred backcross line). We use the term IBL to refer to cannabis genetics whose expressions have been stabilized through backcrossing.
In some cases, a mixture of the two interpretations exists. Most commonly, this is referred to as an IBL or IX (inbred cross).
This is typically used to refer to a filial offspring that is backcrossed into a prior filial, rather than back into the original parent, or when parents share significant genetic overlap. (F1 x Bx2 instead of P1 x Bx2, for example). If that makes sense.
Look for “IBL” “ix” “IBC” or “F5” for the most stability 
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Every one of them f1s are autos.
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Yeah I saw that. I am not really into autos but have seen other sites advertising F1s.
My interest stems from this.
The last few grows I did using ILGM seeds in a 4x4. I grew 4 plants each time and each of the 4 plants were completely different. It was very hard to manage the canopy and some of the plants had bud structures that I wasn’t into. I know I could clone a plant that I liked but I don’t like growing the same strain every time and I can only grow in the warmer months.
So I was hoping this option would offer seeds that showed the same characteristics.
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Yep… What them guys said… 
Watching …
F1s are literally the farthest away from that as possible.
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Unless they have a new novel method of breeding I think they are just trying to hype something that most people select against except breeders. F1s by definition are the most variable of all choices.
I read that @Adt187 and just scratched my head. They definetly say that. I am skeptical of the reinventing of the wheel.
F1s have historically been the “cheap seeds” needing less work. F5s are more desirable for the work done to have a more predictable outcome for size and potency. The uniform traits as you mentioned you wanted.
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They just useing “technical” words to to draw interest.
They makeing a huge claim that F1 genetics can’t fulfill 
On there site they say.
“Royal Queen Seeds is proud to offer the world’s first true F1 hybrid cannabis seeds, which produce a stable, uniform crop every time”.
They definitely aren’t the first to sale F1 seeds, but they claim they have the first ever in the world F1 seeds that give a uniform crop every time.
It’s sales tactics is all.
I’ve seen some nice stuff come from RQ but I’m very skeptical of their claim.
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That is why I am an asking about it. I too am skeptical. But I also grew up in a rural area and every farmer uses f1 corn seeed or soybean to produce a giant field of uniform crops. I do know that ILGM seeds are anything but uniform
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You bring up a good point about corn. Modern corn is made by crossing very inbreed lines. So more a back cross scenario than a true or f1. At least that is what a cannabis grower would call it. It is like crossing f5 or f6 lines that have different traits. Maybe that’s what they are doing too at royal queen seeds.?
I had to look it up because that was a damn good corn question. Here is an excerpt from nation library of medicine on the NIH website, discussing hybridization of modern corn:
“In the 1930s and 40s, a general meaning of hybridization as “the cross breeding or sexual combination of two varieties” had narrowed to indicate the crossing of two inbred lines to produce F1 seeds as in the case of hybrid corn.
Being the NIH I was blocked from posting a link for some reason. Here is a screen shot of the article if you care to read it…
I guess that’s why landrace is so important. Homogenized traits from lots of different individual dna adapting to the same climate over eons.
F6 crosses are lots of homogenized traits from narrow dna eliminating indivualism in short time.
Either way crossing them gives you hybrid vigor. Choice one opens the dna flood gates to new combinations. Choice 2 gives you what modern corn and maybe royal queen seeds has done…? Vigor without variable traits.
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The F1 hybrids are two inbred lines mixed
Bottom line is, I don’t want to Pheno hunt, but don’t want to do clones. I want 4 plants from seed that produce the exact same
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I hear you. You want to get direct breeder packs then. Well, mainly nothing comes up here on the whole catalog for f3f4f5. I only see breeder packs do that.
From experience, f3 are pretty stable. My seed runs anyway. Most breeders stop around f4. Some go to f5. My understanding by f6 the pollen reaches sterility and few seeds are made for the effort. That’s where the back cross comes in. Anyway, search the seed bank for f3 or f4 seeds. f5 seeds only came up under dj short. His blueberry seeds f5 I ran before were real uniform. Anyway, regardless of breeder, there are too many to list. That’s your best bet. If you are left coast seedsherenow is good. If your east I have heard good things about NAtlantic seed company. Both banks will search with f3 f4 as seed criteria.
Happy growing, let us know if you try those royal queen seeds. I would love and respect your input if you run em. 
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I think they claim the “first” , “Auto” F1 seeds …I believe they were already selling F1 reg./Fem. seeds…Don’t quote me tho. @Adt187 @noddykitty1 , @1HappyPappy @Newt
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Google “twisted cookies strain” and thank me later 
They are f5 autos that are absolutely fire every time and grow the same.
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It’s all too complicated for my straight line brain… @1HappyPappy @noddykitty1
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Yep, me to honestly 
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Mad love you seem versed on the whole thing …
I need to order seed now !;> LOL… 
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