Yep yep yep!
Light shaming is silly. You can grow weed with all of those lights. If you bought enough of them, you could get a good yield. But âenoughâ may be more than you think. I think you get better results by confining your limited light to a smaller, well-lit area rather than have a large dim room. My first grow of a single plant in a 7 square foot grow chamber gave me over 7 ounces dry weight. I used a 400 watt HPS for the whole grow.
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I dont see it as light shaming at all. Most lights will grow weed. But the Chinese companies that make these lights are definitely getting over on people, by taking advantage of new growers who dont know any better.
They hyperinflate their Amazon reviews with fake reviews, and try to put as much false information on there as possible. Such as âthis light is equivalent as xxxW HPSâ or by labeling their lights as 1200w or 1000w when they are really only 200w. which is far from the truth.
New growers have to start somewhere, and I dont see a problem with them buying any of these lights. But I am not going to suggest them to anyone.
HPS is a different story than LED. The price point to get started with an HID setup is lower than getting quality LEDs atm, and you will almost always see good results from them, granted you are not killing your plants due to other things.
Some of these lights can grow some good buds, and if youâre trying to grow on a budget I definitely am all for it. I make no judgements against anyone, especially on the type of lights they use, or are looking for.
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I think you already posted this, almost exactly, above.
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I personally use and like the dimigogo as a budget led. I won a few. The 1000 pulls about 250real watts.
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I certainly wasnât shaming, nor was anyone else in my opinion. I get asked and tagged into what essentially the same two or three light questions about 20-30 times a week. My answers and responses arenât typically much different regardless of what someoneâs budget is. Maybe more as the conversations go on, but thatâs usually after quite a bit dialogue.
My comment above (which I thought was pretty clear) is that all of the lights mentioned are going to provide about the same performance on a per watt basis. Itâs completely possible for one to be assembled a little better or whatever, but they all use the same components. So the probably 100+ threads here discussing one vs the others donât really help the unsuspecting buyer at all. Everyone has their experiences and opinions, but most of them are pretty useless when limited to two or three models of the same style light.
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Is self light shaming ok? I couldnât understand why my yields were so small with the 900 actual watts in a 4x5 space with three 600w Chinese lights until I got @dbrn32 to help me get the parts and build a decent 400 watt light. Iâm planning on building a second one soon.
All plants in the picture are pretty much the same age. The ones on the right are under the Chinese lights at 600 wall watts. The left are under the 400 watt DIY light. As you can see, the plants under the Chinese lights are smaller. I didnât really see any shaming. Just advice on using decent lights. I guess we need a new thread on Chinese lights to help educate people on what to look for. I myself am going to stay away from them because I have to have an oz every 8-10 days to use in edibles for my debilitating lower back pain and I need good light to produce enough to last until the next harvest in 10-12 weeks.
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Been a while since I seen your grow, youâre going to have a few monster colas there!
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Thanks, been busy trying to get enough light to 6 plants in the woods. Itâs a lot of work and unfortunately I can only hold a chainsaw about 5 minutes before the pain is so bad I have to stop for an hour or so. Iâm not impressed with outdoors.
These plants were planted at the same time as the indoors plants. Theyâre a lot smaller all around and they get the exact same grow mixture as indoors was. Iâve already flipped to 12/12 indoors. I know itâs going to be all summer before outside starts flowering, but I think indoors is so much better.
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Sorry about the pain brother! It seems like whichever we get good at first, the other is an issue lol.
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Iâm upgrading to qbâs, too. Slowly but surely. Iâve been shamed enough, myself! Lol! @dbrn32 you know we all love you, right?
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Sure seems that way 
What did you end up buying?
450w viparspectra. Im pretty excited with it. its 10 times better than what I have.
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Hey man, as long as youâre happy
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Just remember though, when flowering, use both switches
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I would use them both, through veg, and flower. While seedlings, or early veg, you could probably get away with just the veg switch, but after a couple weeks into veg, I would turn them both on and let the plants eat it up.
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Outdoors is equivalent to about 5 hours of full noon sun per day. A little more in summer, a little less in winter, unless you grow near the poles. Inside, ideally we run light at full noon sun level but 18 hours a day. Makes a big difference in growth rate.
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