@Myfriendis410 @1BigFella Getting closer to death.
Number 1
Number 2
Number 5
As you can see in the pics, Number 1 and Number 2 are turning lighter in color and the cotyledons continue to die. They just don’t look good.
Number 5, the one that was seeded later and did not experience the large pots for long and that looked the best, has taken the largest turn for the worse. Its leaves have turned almost straight down and its once dark green color is also starting to lighten slightly.
No nutes ever, fresh and neutral soil, water ph at 6.5/6.6, and in totally aerated pots for a few days. Still they are dying.
I think you caught them in6time. It’s going to be a matter of whether the roots were killed standing in too wet conditions for too long. They’re kinda shocked now. Keep the domes on and mist with 6.5 ph water like you have.
Did you ever say what soil?
Soil
This is mixed with 25% perlite
Okay, it looks like a good product with the perlite added. Not much added fertilizer and that appears to be in the form of manure or guano. However, the seedlings could still experience a hot spot with that and get some nute burn.
I really think that you have done what you can and the best thing now is to provide supportive care. Moisture and a humid environment with light and time. I’ll bet they’ll bounce back.
I had a seedling that fell out of the pot and I was sure it was dead. Jammed it back in the soil and ultimately got a half pound from her.
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@Myfriendis410 I would feel a lot better if these were not autos.
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My led lights are fine at a max of 8 inches and my flowering girl loves it she’s got alot of light on her too like 138w cfl 300w galaxy hydro led x2 and a cob 200w the cfl are tru watts and I have 325 true watts in led all within 6-8 inches from top and sides
Current environment (though they seem to still be getting worse) @Myfriendis410
So, these are autos at 18 days old. At this point I doubt they will get very big. So, I am thinking of starting one auto every three weeks starting now so that I have one at seedling, beginning veg, beginning flower, and ending flower. Anybody try ever try this? Thoughts?
@1BigFella Maybe this is an advantage of autos as you can keep different stage plants in one tent.
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You might rethink those domes, once a seed sprouts it doesn’t need humidity levels up around 100% anymore.
Clones without roots will needs those humidity levels for a bit but once a seedling had the leaves that yours has it really only needs about 70% humidity or so.
Hope this helps!
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@TDubWilly They are not getting any water from the soil. It is temporary to keep them from drying out before the roots recover. You can read the progression at: Help Please. Seedlings not doing well.
The journey turns down a new path.
Given these are autos, I don’t think they have time to recover, grow to a decent size, and produce much. So, I just put two new seeds into paper towel to germinate (Jack Pot and Sweet Tooth). If the existing three make a come back, I will just grow the two and cull a plant later if necessary. If they don’t make it, I will germinate two more. I figure it should be pretty obvious what is going to happen within a week.
I am going to dump the potting mix I made and get new potting mix. I have done some research and have narrowed it to three brands: Espoma, Fox Farms, or Black Gold. We have a local greenhouse/garden center also so I may talk with them and use theirs if it is right. However, it is clear to me that it needs to be straight potting soil.
The Espoma has a myco-tone mycorrhizae additive that is supposed to help roots and ward off disease (it is not a nute, but a natural enhancer). It seems good and has great references on the net.
@1BigFella @Myfriendis410 and the rest. Thank you for your input and support. It has been very much appreciated!
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Do not plant in any straight potting soil. I’ve used Black Gold and FF and both are good although the BG is a rebranded Scott’s product. You can still use it, just cut it 50 % with perlite.
Your seedlings have stalled out, being autos their clock is sorta stopped right now so don’t sweat that. The seedlings actually do absorb most of their moisture through their leaves for the first week until the water roots form. The dome is ok IMO. However, it seemed like there was a lot of condensate on the domes. Maybe let them air out over night.
@Myfriendis410 I hope you are right about the clock. Also, the condensate is actually water sprayed into the dome. The humidity is very low here and the dome gets almost dry in about 8 to 10 hours when the light is on.
As far as the potting soil, part of the reason I chose this potting soil is that it has lots of tiny wood pieces, which as I understand it helps with keeping moisture while allowing air into the soil. Also, it provides a little help with keeping the soil a little acidic. So, even though it is “airy” I still cut it with 25% perlite. I have read that you should cut it until you can’t make a wet (not mud) ball stick together. And, to clarify, when I stated “straight potting soil” I meant that it has no fertilizer.
Lastly, I flushed #1 just now because it maybe that the soil is too hot. I will give it a little while and see what happens. If it improves, I will flush the rest.
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I have pretty much a 100% success rates (germinate and grow) with Roberts seeds. 4 steps is all I do: put seed in a glass of water for 24 hours, transfer seeds from glass to a wet paper towel (I place the wet paper towel between two paper plates so it doesn’t get light), once they have a tail I move them to a small soil container, only put them a 1/4" down or so, then cover the container in plastic (saran wrap, or however it’s spelled) and leave it on until it sprouts is little head above soil, then take the plastic off. I haven’t lost a plant in a long time this way.
Really good starter soil
https://www.amazon.com/Espoma-SS8-8-Quart-Organic-Starter/dp/B002Y0CFRA?tag=greenrel-20
Hope this next germination brings you more luck.
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#1 didn’t look any worse a day after flushing. The other two looked slightly worse, so I flushed them as well and that was about 8 hours ago. Right now everything looks pretty much as it did.
For the first time in a long time there are signs of new growth on #1 and #2. Also, the color of the new leaves seems to be better. #5 hasn’t shown any signs of new growth but I think the color is getting lighter, but hard to tell.
At this point I am guessing it was never an over watering issue, but a nute burn issue. I think it happened right after watering because the water released the nutes. That combined with the big pots led to the watering conclusion.
Regardless if it has been figured out, there are three lessons to learn. One, don’t start in large pots. Two, do your homework and make sure you have the right soil (any soil that lists its nutes is not the right soil, particularly for seedlings). Three, don’t trust the guy/gal at HD.
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@TDubwilly @Myfriendis410 I ended up getting a combination of a local green house/lawn and garden company’s potting soil (nothing added nute wise)and Happy Frogg (bat guano and worm casings, which seems to be in every brand) from a local hydro retailer. The Happy Frogg has Mycrohazie (sp?), which according to the “experts” is a good supplement that helps roots take-up water and nutrients while protecting them from disease. I mixed one part local, one part HF, and one part perlite to make the soil for the seedling pots.
On another note, the Sweet Tooth sprouted and was just put into the seedling pot and the Jack Pot seed has cracked, but I am waiting for the tail to appear before moving it into a seedling pot.
Things finally seem to be moving forward! 
Again, thanks to all that have helped!!!
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Hi there
what I started doing was using coco peat and vermiculite for my seeds because of that problem and as soon as they sprouted I put them into a semi vented box that I built and have warm white led strip lights that I have on for 24hours for 2 to 3 weeks before going to 18/6 or 20/4 and then ether take them outside of put them into bigger pots for final growth
So with you having an auto why don’t you have your lighting 24hr for the vegging and switch down a few hours when they star flowering
Pics of #1, #2, and #5 on 10/21/2017 @Myfriendis410
Number 1
Number 2
Number 5
They are not growing like crazy, but clearly they are in better health and growing. You can see new leaves on both #1 and #2 and #5 is slightly larger and its color is getting better.
@Stoneherbal I may push the light once they are going well, but I think 24 hour light can stress them and when they were not healthy I didn’t want to do that. However, even then I don’t think I will go past 20/24. I believe the rest is good for them.
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