Apple Fritter (Whorled Phyllotaxy) Grow

Apple Fritter (whorled phyllotaxy) grow where I’m experimenting with keeping things very simple and minimal.

This is the 1st time using Purple Cow Indicanja living organic soil (water only). So I’m truly putting it to the test.

My set up is in a 4x4 tent (cheap 1)

Using 7 gallon grow bags

Purple Cow Indicanja soil
Coco Coir center core (buffer)

Lights are producing 620 watts true power

6" carbon fliter

Day time temp 78°

Night temp 65°

RH day 40%

RH Night 32%

PPFD 900

Feeding filtered water PH 6.6

2 tbsp unsulphured blackstrap molasses once a week

1 tbsp unfiltered organic honey once a week

Flush one a week

Feeding 5 liters of water

Vegged for 7 weeks with a 3 week seedling buffer, so 10 weeks of total growth before transitioning to flowering.

Current stage 19 days into flowering





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Already starting to frost up for me. I have to say I’m impressed with how minimal effort I’ve had to put into to this minimalist grow.

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Those are gorgeous plants!! Well done!

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I with @Truetopath looking outstanding!! I don’t know if you know this or not. But you don’t have to ph your water or nutrients in organic living soil. :victory_hand::love_you_gesture::oncoming_fist:

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I’ve noticed what appears to be some nutrient deficiency going on as of last night. So I’m going to have to figure out what is going on. I ordered some new PH testing meters, i can’t help but to believe they’re not giving me an accurate reading. Possibly causing lock out perhaps? The only reason I PH my water is because our water absolutely sucks here. I do run it through a filter to remove the chlorine and other particles. Even after running the water through the filter the PH is at 8.6.

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@Budbrother mabee able to help. I’m not the best at diagnosing deficiencies or toxicity. Now Budbrother on the other had is very skilled in this. That very possibly could be the natural fade. But let’s wait for @Budbrother to give his opinion :victory_hand: :love_you_gesture::oncoming_fist:

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Yellow veins indicates Sulfur. Would need more info on the grow.
Edit: going up to read now.

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The only info I see is sugar sugar and more sugar then flush? I’m lost here. That’s an overwhelming amount of sugar. Way more than the micro heard could process.

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She’s being grown in Purple Cow Indicanja organic living soil (water only). I have been feeding her sugar and flushing only. Sugar feedings are spaced out a little far apart. I’ve settled for molasses 1 week, honey the 2nd week with a flush in between. I also give her cal-mag, was only doing 3ml per gallon which I’m increasing to 5ml. She gets 1 gallon on feeding days.

Day time temp 79° RH 36%

Night time temp 65° RH 30%

PPFD 750

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So too much sugar is messing things up. Thank you :folded_hands: My BudBrother. Can it be corrected? Or just stop using as much? :victory_hand::love_you_gesture:

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So should i switch to just watering then? I’ll keep the cal-mag going at 5ml. What else is out there to sweeten up my flowers?

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Sorry I had to handle some things, but I understand better. In a true living soil like Indicanja, weekly flushing is working against you. Sugars don’t feed the plant directly; instead, they feed microbes. The flushing washes both microbes and soluble nutrients out of the root zone repeatedly.

Blackstrap molasses does bring carbs and potassium to the table, but it doesn’t supply enough sulfur to correct a deficiency, especially in a system that’s being flushed regularly. The symptoms shown line up pretty well with sulfur deficiency, which is one of the easier nutrients to leach out in organic soils.

A light (1 tbs) gypsum top dress could help here amd replace the chemical calmag with plant available Ca & S without adjusting pH or disturbing the soil biology. Mg replaced with (1 tsp) epsom salt.

Also langbenite provides 0-0-22 +20 S, slow release, to push K & Mg in conjunction with the Gypsum. I’d also consider backing off the weekly flush and using sugars more as an occasional microbe boost rather than part of a feed/flush cycle

Edit: reread your last post. One quick thing to clear up since it comes up a lot: sugars don’t actually “sweeten” buds or get taken up by the plant. That’s a long-standing grow myth. In living soil, sugars only serve as a microbial food source, and it’s the microbes, not the sugars themselves, that influence nutrient availability and overall plant health.

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That’s a very good and informative explanation My Brother! Thank you :folded_hands: :oncoming_fist::victory_hand::love_you_gesture:

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Thank you for taking the time to clear that up for me. I’ll be making a trip tomorrow to pickup the things mentioned above. I’m still new to growing but learning fast.
I had just found out as of yesterday my PH meter was out of whack by -1.68. So my PH levels were more on the very low 5 side of the PH range. I’m sure that didn’t help.
It also seems like the only plant really being majorly effected is the Ayahuasca Purple but idk.





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Plants are doing much better after a gypsum top dressing and epsom salt foliar spray.
She really starting to put off that smell I love so much.
Colors are fading nicely and buds are stacking really well. Trichromes are already really thick, I’m gonna need a chisel to break up my buds.

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Here is what I have found about living soils that claim to be water only. You need at least 10 to 15 gallons of soil to make it water only for a whole grow. 5-7 gallons the plant will deplete the soil of nutrients when it hits flower.

If you want a truly organic run you will need to hit it with Gaia green dry amendments when she hits flower or use some build a soil build a flower top dress also when she hits flower. The feed need to be scratched into the top inch or so of dirt a week or 2 before you need it and can be repeated every 3 weeks as the microbes in your soil need time to break it down to feed your roots.

Also as it was mentioned above we don’t need to flush an organic run because the lil guys in your soil do all the work and the flush just gets rid of them. Real growers recharge is also a good additive for organic grows because it helps rebuild the population of your microbes in the soil ( it also has molasses for sugars ).

I have always been an organic guy til my last grow ( trying some advanced nutrients to compare ) but I will always love the quality of bud from an all organic grow, more terpenes more smell and more flavor! But Advanced Nutrients are almost just as good!

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