Right on Dave, to each his own. We’re both sharing what works for us from experience. All plants need a little rest IMO
I give them a 1/2 hr. off,I’m not a slave driver…
The only real reason not to do 24 hrs is the gains are minimum vs extra electricity used. Plants are not like people and do not need sleep to carry out their physiological processes.
Respectfully disagree and photos need 12 hours of rest to transition and flower
Yes photo periods do need 12/12 to flower that was never up for debate
Gotcha, is flowering not part of this process?
so as you know my girls are just starting to flower with a few hair on the plants in ocean forest and they are still growing ,the 2 in happy frog are without hairs yet but growing quickly.
Just to recap they bare all high ppm #2-6 is still pushing 2000 ppm/OF/has 15-20 hairs total IN 2-3 spots.
It has been determined that we would forego aggressive defoliation until those numbers were where they should be but tucking leaves and limited LST would be acceptable.
My question is this.On three of the four plants the poor things have been growing so tight and dense that there is almost no light penetration and air circulation in the center of those 3 plants. IOt seems as though we are at a point that they would benefit from both.
Would it be advisable to do a bit of lollipopping just at the bottom of each plant to like the 3rd/4th node AS I CONTINUE TO WATER TO RUNOFF BACK WITHIN SPECIFICATIONS 900-1100ppm and how many hairs do I need to see to switch the spectrum from veg to preflower\ and will I be switching to flower time immediately after re entering the proper ppm range?
Switch your light now and wondering if the manufacturer recommends both. Sorry not familiar with a Preflower setting. Most full spectrum LEDs can have the intensity adjusted but the spectrum remains the same. Yes take off the 1st growth node and below possibly the 2nd, would need to see better pics to recommend 100%. I would start some training with the sides and main
these are the manufacturers recommended settings for the various stages of plant progression?
If PAR/DLI were to be too intense you would proportionately reduce the 3 .
For instance if I had 80 DLI at full power and wanted to try to reduce ,you would set all 3 @ 50% or as an example: R19 W49 B49. IN doing son you can leave the light at a height that suits your other parameters for instance perhaps your heat sink on your lamp would be better served to be slightly higher or at the same level as your exhaust fan or perhaps you want to kick humidity up a bit w/o using a humidifier.
Lower the spectrum and move the light closer to the plants,that heat source being closer to the plant not necessarily hotter,just closer can raise humidity from the moisture in the medium a few (<5 %) without a noticeable increase in temps at a static(same) fan setting.
lol they are already pulled down and out, I will probably have to pull down and out the new growth.
and still I have all kinds of hidden sites under those enormous fan leaves.
Those horizontal bamboo shish kabob skewers are keeping the ladies out of the dirt…And for how long will these autos stretch?
How do I keep my questions engaged without pestering the same person all the time and get some answers so I can move forward with the grow in the best possible manner.
I appreciate everything anyone does but it seems as though I’m being asked the same questions from one day to the next and getting advice on a portion of the question or questions and I’m hanging.
And the ladies suffer…
I am appreciative of every bit of advice but its open ended.Of course I am able to make my own decisions if I want to take a chance but one of the purposes/benefits of being a forum member is being able to access the knowledge of others and in every instance I first attempt to access the answer or answers my self by reading other peoples posts. And hopefully one day I will be able to confidently help others.
I certainly would not expect instant responses but when someone graciously shares their knowledge and you respond to their query that there would be a fluid exchange of ideas and information. So apparently I am posting in a manner that is not in the best interest of getting those answers.
What do I need to do differently ?
Honestly, the first run of a new strain to me I keep it basic. Like a prove it run in a small prove it pot. I don’t manipulate much. The first run I just do it smaller size, faster, and basic. Not much toping nor bending. I have to watch it the first run to have a baseline. Think about for : stretch monster, sensitive to nuteburn, bug or mold prone, leafy, stinky, trichomes, slow as fuck. Etc
The first date (run) is all about just getting a kiss goodnight. The second and third date is where I get charming and try some shit out. Keep a log, best tip I can give you. I feel a lot of your questions are stylistic. You got to figure out your own style. Fixing a problem, now that’s where we will blow your thread up.
I have to humbly agree with what the other said. I would chill a little on the light hours.
I have an bruce banner auto that stays bushy like its from the 70s, no matter that ive lst her and pick leafs off daily. Its like im not even doing anything with her it seems.
I just keep on doing what im doing.
Running lights at 24hr dli at 45
Temps 82 humidity at 65
I just keep an eye out for mold but it gets plenty of air
Remove the lower growth from the 2nd node down. Tight node spacing can typically be related to your light being to close in early veg. Raise your light a few inches and adjust the intensity. Here is some plants that look similar to yours. These were topped and trained
Landscaping pins I use to train the sides until they reach the outside of the pot then I use soft ties
awesome responses all.everything in the first two nodes for now comes off ,and water to runoff until we get into 1000 ppm range,a little epsom salt in the mix if i receive it soon enough.(I had to order organic online as what is available to me locally is scented with “parfum” of an unknown nature.
Using it would be a bit like sending the daughter out with the tatooed kid down the street who came calling twirling a plastic bag full of condoms around his forefinger while whistling tunes written by Charles Manson.
once the ladies are in shape would somebody recommend a shot of molasses or something different. ?Those high ec 's had to have ransacked the root zone or not?