Quick explanation on ppm/ec and nutes please

Sorry this is over 200 words…idk how to not be wordy explaining this issue…

Switched to GH and have spent a lot of time trying to understand this and i need a little personally directed attn. Im new to EC, been learning TDS/PPM for hydro and ill never go back to not checking these…all my plant life is thriving… and knowing the values of each nute and correlations? Coolest ever. Now im learning EC and logging what raises what how much and so on and so forth…

I mixed my nutes and added them. My EC was 1.7ish and my ppm was 1000ish. I had about 3" left in my res, which my plants are in, and that ppm was HIGH! concentrated i assume, they drank about 5gal. 2400ppm and ec was over 4.0. So i added back 5 gallons of solution and 2 gallons of RO, pHd h20. EC was still at 2400 and ppm 1900. So i decided to remove a gallon and add just the RO pHd h20. When i went to bed it was at 1350 and 2.3EC. pH 6.0. I will see when the light goes on what happened.

So heres the q…

Why did it rise so much? I know its more concentrated as the water drops, but how do i figure out how much they are utilizing when im seeing high numbers like that? (I know they are drinking). Should i not add nutes when i top up? I top up when i get to 2-3 inches, which was every other day. Now i get 3 days maybe) and res change every 3 or 4 times. I figured adding h20 correctly fed based per gallon (recipe not changing, based on amts per gallon) should happen to maintain. Only it isnt balancing, it made it way too high the next day…it was really upsetting last night to keep checking and seeing it continue to rise. (.esp now that im using EC to adjust). My RO system is leaving me with over 200ppm…after testing values on my RO, tap and distilled…my RO and tap were basically the same effect every time i added a substance. The distilled was exactly the amount minus the starting ppm. I see how that 200 made a diff though. And adding h20 to dilute was still adding the 200 base (0.35 EC). I wnded up finding a distilled gallon and thats when i noticed the biggest drop. I have a bunch of diff pens…i changed batteries tested them out on the 3 h20s…all are off my +/- 100-150. i decided to just order the blue labs truncheon meter, that way i know its working with GH 500ppm scale and its unboxed, ready to go for my babies. The way i learn is to understand and experiment. I cant accept the answer “because it is” when there is a scientific explanation. Thats whats si awesome about the natural world and its order, it does have checks and balances. It has reliable, repeatable, understandable influence all around…so there is something out of balance…is it bc of my h20? The wastewater of my RO IS charged, found that out the dumb way, so its doing something, right? But kitchen tap just has a reg old filter and its the same. (Tap without filter is over 400ppm…so it is dropping it a bit) Its a 75g system, do i just need a better one? I also think i did have an imbalance, OR MAYBE TOO MUCH LIGHT, bc had weird discoloration that is resolving itself, (its not on new growth and only on tallest buds of canopy)





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Nice canopy!

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Thanks…heres a few better pics, from a few days ago…plants caved the top in by growing together but propped her up last night and now its even again. Had to keep messing w lights bc she was slowly sinking. Now its even and at 21". Im proud…lol. First scrog, first run at hydro and first long veg. So much learned…so much more to learn. :grin:





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That’s a lot to take in. Awesome canopy tho!
I’m sure the pro’s around here will have much to say. (I’m not one of them :smile:)
RO readings should pretty much be in the single digits tho. Are you checking after you pH it? Those additives have EC too. Pretty much anything that goes in the water has EC.
Also, EC is what you want. That’s what the meter reads. The PPM of TDS is derived from that, and there isn’t even a global standard for it, so using PPM in discussions gets confusing. I try to stick to just talking about EC.
As you noted, plants can drink lots of water sometimes and not need the nutes, leaving your solution concentrated. Nutes are food, water is hydration, sometimes they’re just thirsty and not as hungry.
Not sure what line of GH you’re using, but I was curious one day and tested my nutes and buffers one at a time in a gallon of water to find the EC value per mL of each one. It’s just some further understanding of the mixture you might find useful.
Whatever you’re doing tho, looks like it’s working!

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What type of hydro is this? Flood and drain? What type of medium coco?

Your EC levels are rising because the plant is using more water than nutrients, this tells me your humidity is very low low 50s? Maybe 48%? And light intensity is very high.

What about your ph swings within the solution?

If they are using more water then nutrients low your EC try 1.3.

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Sorry I’m at work and just noticed the second picture looks like dwc, those are some lethal TDS reading for DWC.

You really want to see a swing down in PPM and up in PH.

Start you res at a PH of 5.5-5.6 with around 650-700 ppm, as the ph swings up to around 5.9-6.0 start over, if the ppm still increases feed less if the ppm goes down feed more.

Keep solution between 5.5-6.0 and ppm between 600-950 at this stage.

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Tx, everyone. Its dwc, just a tote and lots of aeration. First go at hydro. And scrog. I kept diluting down and its stable, holding at 1.8 ec. I like using ec, im noticing a differnce…i just was having trouble grasping it…but i played around with other plant feeds and monitored the hydro…i agree w the thirsty and hungry theory 100%. Crazy bc i was thinking about that before i read this response. Ill check my meter and gauges tomorrow and let you know. I dont think im having issues, i just didnt really understand until i compared h20s and now i see a prob w my RO, bc distilled with an ec/ppm of .004/0007 is way diff than .38/180… my RO is not working…idk what to do bout that… And ive been overfeeding. Thankfully ive not made soup yhey are so thick. Now i can worry about to defol or not to defol…ugh.



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This plant is awesome nice job!

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