I bought two of these, which are still on sale:
Quoted specs (quite possibly BS):
Input power: 150W
PPE: 2.75 umol/J
Yield: 2.7g/W
Diodes: CREE J Series 3030 LEDs
756 LEDs: 3000k, 5000k, 660nm and IR 760nm
PPFD (with distance typos lol):
I figured how bad could they be for $45 each from
I understand folks around here prefer name-brand lights like HLG, but for the price, I couldn’t pass this up. Comments?
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Branding has little to do with why people choose the lights they do. You should have asked before you spent the $.
Don’t know about those specificly, however , I won a bloom plus (Amazon type light) from a drawing…I never would have bought it as it’s not top tier… however, I absolutely love it. It rocks, so try yours out and they might be awesome. Don’t let the no name brand scare you. They could be crap, but they might surprise you
Some do.
All 3 par maps say from a distance of 12"
@Allinherhead Yeah, I alluded to that. It’s the same on their website. Based on their data for other lights, they are using the standard 12"/14"/18" measurements.
@Docnraq Thanks! Just curious about what you look for in a light? I’d expect it comes down to the driver efficiency and diode composition? It seems almost everyone (except Philips) uses either Samsung or Cree diodes, I’m not sure what other differentiators exist? If more watts is more better and watts/$ is a consideration, it seems hard to compete with 150w/$45 = 3.3W/$. For reference a HLG 100 Rspec is 95W/$139 = 0.68w/$. Then again I’m a cheap stake, so each to their own.
I have another set of lights that I can anecdotally compare these with.
Tbh I dont trust any companies data on their lights. I look for offsite reviews, because most onsight are paid for, especially amazon. I Ask around at forums like ILGM that are NOT affiliates, watch videos by trusted sources. Grow journals are a great way to find out if a light is any good. All my reading over the past couple years has shown me one thing. Good growing eqipment, is not cheap. You get what you pay for.
Chance of a single 45 dollar light getting you past veg AND giving quality flower at harvest is so slim. This is why I say ask around, takes a couple days to get answers asking vs 60 days growing and figuring out if your gamble was worth the investment of time money and exertion.
Yeah I’m in same boat. I don’t trust the ads really. I would never have recommended Bloom Plus if I hadn’t used it successfully on last grow. Now as to how long it’ll actually work?… I can’t say, mine still works, and I’m pretty sure it was used when I won it, but if it died today or tomorrow I’d not be shocked
The figure “2.7 g/watt” along with “2.75 µmol/J” makes me leery of the light. NObody is getting 2.7 g/watt with ANY light. And the PPE listed is as high as the latest state of the art diodes which I guarantee this does not have (price). So when they lie to you twice in two lines I would not own one.
This is my problem with Amazon. They support those, (Let’s just say non USA companies), that imitate and rip off products that our companies invest R&D dollars in.
Please people think about this! Before you let Amazon transfer your dollars from your bank accounts into the accounts of these rip off artist.
Now I am saying that I wouldn’t buy a name brand product from Amazon, if they have the best price. I find that when pricing these items Amazon is usually higher than other sources.
2.7g/watt also caught my attention. Compare this to the generally accepted benchmark of 1g/watt. Almost, if not totally beyond belief.
2.7 X 150w = 405g
convert grams to ounces 405 / 28.35 = 14.3 ounces
The PPFD maps are for 2x2 space. Does almost a pound coming from 2x2 make sense to you?
I guess the suspension of common sense and truth is contagious.
These 2 statements don’t go together. The 3030 LEDs are older technology. 2.75 umol/J is pretty high and can only be achieved with the latest diodes such as the Samsung LM301h.
These sellers also manipulate their reviews.
Unfortunately many many many of us have been burnt on the “it’s cheap but has good reviews”. As others have said reviews can sadly be bought these days. There is a reason all of us recommend higher end lights like HLG or at very least some cheaper brand that uses older Samsung diodes at the very least.
There are plenty of lights around now that are built with the older Samsung LM301b diodes. They are a generation old, but they do perform pretty well.
Agreed. Heck I have a cheap Chinese knockoff led I bought as a kit off FB marketplace that has older Samsung diodes and it works great. Definitely 1000000x better than my Amazon purchases but obviously not as well as my HLG but good enough.
I’ve got a bunch of HLG panels that are 3 or 4 years old. All built with 301b diodes.
Right now we have it better than we have ever had it in the grow world except for the crap ass fufu weed strains, ruined genetics and china. Best tech ever and the worse weed ever. And as tech and elemental science creeps forward all the BS bro science is finely going away. It has never been cheap or budget friendly to grow weed. It’s always been expensive to do it right either indoor or outdoor. And you don’t have a clue how expensive it could get if the police got involved in your grow, the rotten bastards. My first indoor grow cost me far more than going out and buying new HLG lighting and top spec, tents, fans and other needed equipment. It was insanely expensive not to mention how hard everything was to get. Just the risk of having lighting shipped to a home address was a risk using USPS. It wasn’t until UPS/FEDX/DHL and a few others came along that one could semi safely get hardware and consumables. We had to bring a lot of stuff in from Europe/UK. From genetics to hardware. And then there is china. At some point one has to decide to limit there exposure to china. You can’t eliminate it. But you have to limit it. Or you constantly screw yourself and your country. There’s a saying. “Buy once, Cry once” The truth in that saying is so real.
Thanks all, I could return those lights now and get a 300w HLG kit, or hold onto them and upgrade later. Spare lights can be handy.
I am curious to see how this white window comes out, she’s doing OK so far at day 30.
It’d be insightful to compare performance against better equipment.
Get a couple clones cut of her now. When you do get better lights, you can run a side-by-side. I’d probably use an HLG Patriot or 135 Rspec so it’s a watt-for-watt comparison against the same genetics (two clones from the same plant at the same age). Would be a fun experiment to see.
I’m running two of these at the moment, so ~300W of Cree diodes.
How would this:
edit: link removed. Put up a screenshot of the light instead
compare? I’d get a big driver so I could go x2 down the line.
