@OGIncognito Thanks Dude. I wonder why she is the only one of 7 to look so sickly? I’ve done the same for them all. But I only used the nutrients twice so far this go round, and then at half the recommended because they were so young and they had such a rough start.
So I should go to a full serving of my nutrients next time? I use the General Hydroponics 6 part Series, but I didn’t include the Floralicious in the mix because it said it can be used as a foliar spray to the underside of the leaves and I thought that’d be good for them. It has 2% Nitrogen, so I did spray her just before their light went out, but it’ll probably be a week before I’ll be able to feed her again after giving her so much water for the runoff test today. Think she’ll be alright til then?
I kinda decided today that instead of feeding them all on the same day, which is very time consuming, I figure there are 7 and also 7 days a week so I’d do 1 a day. That’d be alright, yeah? Plus they’d be getting all my exhaled co2 more often to enhance them. Lol!
Yes, not familiar with GH nutes but you’ll want a final nutrient mix around 800-1000 and follow a drench to drought routine. Routine of feeding 1 per day is ok and probably easier on you. Make sure to let them hit a dry period after feeding…roots need that oxygen
@ShureGreen
It’s good that you have your pH under control and that the pH going in is the same coming out that’s a wonderful thing.
@OGIncognito mention your numbers of your runoff EC are low. You girls are very young, nevertheless you need to bring your EC up in your feeds. Just be careful as bringing the EC up too high too fast on a young plant could cause minor issues.
Me personally I’ll go up a couple of hundred EC per feed until I reach the desired EC amount.
Glad to see that you’re understanding and utilizing the numbers. Good luck to you
Basically I don’t feed through veg in soil with autos, photos I may if I veg longer then 30days.
But once in flower I check runoff and whatever it is under 1000ppm I feed that amount or a little over the next watering.
Say if I water only today and runoff is 500ppm. Then the next time i would mix up nutrients at 500-600ppm and give it to them. I don’t read that runoff.
I use a desk top Callander to keep up with it.
Where I’ve got more experience now, I don’t actually keep a good record anymore by recording runoff numbers ever watering.
Though at first I did.
I basically feed then water and i test the runoff on water only days, whatever that number is gives me an idea how much to feed on the next time, (usually every other day)
If i notice i got one that maybe needs more N or whatever it needs, then i may up the ppm for that plant just a little or on the water only day I’ll give that plant a feeding of cal-mag at 200-300ppm (my cal-mag is 2% nitrogen) or sometimes i use the GH micro (brown bottle) only at that same 200-300ppm on the water only day to give the deficient plant a boost.
If the plant needed P or K, i will use bloom only (pink bottle).
@OGIncognito Coolio. That’s actually one of the reasons I like the pillow cases cause there’s room at the corners of the crate to get my hands down there and kinda break up the soil when it gets hard and as it dries to make that happen a little faster. I figure I’m not doing enough to damage the roots that way and it gets more oxygen lines going in. Idk? Might not be a good idea? I guess we’ll find out. Thanks for the advice. It’s much appreciated. @Lostgirl Yes, You did manage to change my mind. Lol! I am actually quite surprised as I’m generally one of those whose favorite meme is ‘I’m not always right but when I am it’s all the time’. Ha! Made ya laugh. I don’t really understand it all yet. Idk how my pH is the same in and out but the other numbers are not great, or exactly how to fix them other than by increasing the nutrient amounts. Maybe put the Floralicious in the mix for that plant. I think since, at this point, that’s the only one showing a deficiency(and I’ve not runoff the others yet but will do each over this next week), feeding 1 a day will be a good idea for me cause I’ll be able to adjust for each instead of giving the same all the way around. Thanks for the positivity. It’s needed rn.
@1HappyPappy those are very nice. What are the bottom 2? How do you know how much of the TDS /EC you’re putting in? Just test the mix prior to pouring?
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US/CM@72°F= EC1148
PPM@72°F= 0564
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Upon rereading and taking notes I can’t help but notice that the PPM is twice the EC. It should always be twice? Idk? A little confusion is setting in. I guess it would always be. So what’s the point of even pressing that button to get both readings? Or will they differ in some other circumstance? I feel like a dummy even asking that but I want to be sure.
I don’t agree with this Karen. You’re not just running off to test your numbers you’re also running off to get rid of old salty nutrients that might be lurking in your soil it’s always wise to run off 20% every time you water.
There’s absolutely no effort in doing it. it’s a major benefit to your root zone.
As far as flushing, you should only do this on absolutely 100% necessary.
Believe it or not, those 2 and the taller one beside it are Monster bud seeds I’ve had for close to 10years . Im surprised all 3 popped
The 2 smaller ones auto flowered on a 18/6 schedule, the taller one was stubborn and I had to put it under 12/12 to get it to flower.
Yep, that exactly how i mix a batch and if the ppm is higher then i want, i just add water to it so it drops or if it needs to be higher I just add more nutrients.
Where I use a one part (GH maxi-bloom) its easy to just add more straight to my batch if needed.
With the trio or multiple bottles, things have to go in a certain order of course so when useing GH trio, i would mix a concentrated batch in a solo cup and add it to my batch if that makes sense
I could be wrong but i think she meant she want be testing the numbers regularly rather than not watering till runoff regularly
Getting that runoff each time is what hopefully helps prevent the need to flush as you said
Pretty sure EC is always EC as far as value that’s why when I did bother checking for that I decided to just use EC as it transfers across all meters regardless of using European or American standard conversion of well EC.
EC is the same regardless of which scale the meter uses for the PPM
EC electro conductivity
PPM parts per million
Difference on ppm is math they use to convert EC (the baseline if you will) to PPM there are 3 different ppm scales they use that I know of based on different mathematical equations used.
Im stoned so hopefully the above makes sense haha
@ShureGreen
To avoid all that stuff growing in soil using synthetic nutrients you could change to all organic with the critters in the living soil doing all the heavy lifting.
I put my wet meters in the drawer years ago. I was glad to learn how to use them but once I understood that growing organic was a different beast I mostly stopped using them unless an issue comes up and I need to check soil PH so I use an accurate soil PH meter from time to time when needed.
Don’t PH anything don’t check PPM or EC anymore I just let nature run its course and I think it is less work but in the beginning a little more though as to which amendment would be best for which issue or stage of growth.
I do water to run off when they get big enough but that little extra in the saucer normally gets all sucked up into the pot in 20-30 min and if not I’ll dump the saucer. I Don’t measure sheet…s
I’ve only flushed when there was serious issue and I’ve had a few but that too is a learning curve.
Getting my fingers in the soil weekly or more top dressing alfalfa or kelp or Neem meal and so on working that into the top layer of the soil feeds the bacteria and fungi and my soul that lives there like outside in nature and I brew a aerated compost tea every couple weeks or so and use that to water adding the the soil life and those little critters eat the alfalfa or whatever I add on top and work in and the critters poop it out in a plant available form.
Fungi form their own network of “roots” that connect to the plants roots and they exchange food with each other in a symbiotic relationship……just freaking amazing….Nature has perfected this stuff millions of years ago.
I Mulch the top with straw and toss some clover seeds as cover crop and I use a sprayer and spray top daily to keep the micro herd happy
Nature figured this shit out millions of years ago so I went down that path.
It’s just easier for me.
Definitely learn how to use the meters and what they mean if you’re going to stay using synthetic nutrients because they are needed along with all the other things.
The food they need besides water, light, air for roots, CO2 and critters in soil like fungi bacteria nematodes etc (microscope and pond water in high school) those critters…
Macro nutrients
N = Nitrogen
P = Phosphorus
K = Potassium (pot ash ium) ashes from fire are high in potassium
Primary foods for plants
Micro nutrients (Secondary minor they use less)……see charts
The PH reading (potential Hydrogen I think is what it stands for and that’s just how many -H acid or +H alkaline ions are in the medium so more -H than the +H the more acidic etc) (what is yours btw never saw it just that they were same in/out) relates to the acidity or alkalinity (hardness) of the medium (soil or coco or water) and depending on what medium your growing in those PH ranges change for the NPK and minor nutrients like calcium and magnesium
Many paths to similar ends.
Love the pillow case carton idea!
Nice thread…count
Many here know their nutrients for what your doing using bottled nutrients they have you covered and will get you squared away.
Sorry for the long answer but hopefully helped a bit
Honestly Dude, I did think about going organic right up until I got 8 giant bags of infested potting soil and I am totally over the whole organic now. Thanks for the explanation though.
You are correct EC is EC.
Now let me blow your mind with this one.
True ppm of a solution can not be determined by measuring EC (Electro conductivity)
This article explains way better then I ever could @ShureGreen@Lostgirl tagged y’all to. This is the best article I’ve read that helped me understand it all better.
. Im surprised all 3 popped 
i mix a batch and if the ppm is higher then i want, i just add water to it so it drops or if it needs to be higher I just add more nutrients.
it is ridiculous I know 
