# Any ideas wtf this is? **URL:** \ **Category:** Diseases\ **Created:** [August 26, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857 "2021-08-26T16:52:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bobdole1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Bobdole1](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Bobdole1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/1 "2021-08-26T16:52:57Z")
Give the full rundown: Plants growing in soil. Had gnats, used yellow sticky paper to get rid of the 14 or so that it captured (holy crap, I’d only seen one or two). Now I have these discolorations on about 3% of the leaves… Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!!! Thx so much!! ---
**Author:** ![Bobdole1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Bobdole1](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Bobdole1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/2 "2021-08-26T16:54:42Z")
![IMG_0989](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/original/4X/d/d/a/dda3d07ea4dcca975208c46d077f7fc7a51d739e.jpeg) ![IMG_0990](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/original/4X/7/0/1/70108660482fe9f164632c9751c8f4bd6a2aacd6.jpeg) ![IMG_0991](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/original/4X/b/0/a/b0a19975f610776a9551269928976ec4d0c00a83.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![oldmarine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/user_avatar/ilgmforum.com/oldmarine/32/524771_2.png) [@oldmarine](https://ilgmforum.com/u/oldmarine)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/3 "2021-08-26T16:57:07Z")
Looks like leaf miners. Try Captain Jack’s Dead Bug. I also put nematodes in my soil. No gnats this year. ---
**Author:** ![Tylersays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Tylersays](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Tylersays)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/4 "2021-08-26T16:57:25Z")
Did you check the underside of the affected leaves for critters like mites? ---
**Author:** ![Tylersays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Tylersays](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Tylersays)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/5 "2021-08-26T16:58:21Z")
Leaf miners leave trails - mites suck in spots ---
**Author:** ![Bobdole1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Bobdole1](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Bobdole1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/6 "2021-08-26T16:59:58Z")
I took a look and at best the only thing I could spot (even with a jewelers mag glass) were a few tiny black specks on the underside of the affected leaves ---
**Author:** ![Bobdole1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Bobdole1](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Bobdole1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/7 "2021-08-26T17:03:17Z")
Just took a look at spider mites online. That’s looks to be it… Any recommendations on removal product(s)? Thx, so much! ---
**Author:** ![Myfriendis410](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/user_avatar/ilgmforum.com/myfriendis410/32/556067_2.png) [@Myfriendis410](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Myfriendis410)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:04pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/8 "2021-08-26T17:04:43Z")
> [@oldmarine](#): > > Try Captain Jack’s Dead Bug You were already given the best advice. ---
**Author:** ![Bobdole1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Bobdole1](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Bobdole1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/9 "2021-08-26T17:05:42Z")
Gracias ---
**Author:** ![Lacewing](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/user_avatar/ilgmforum.com/lacewing/32/601142_2.png) [@Lacewing](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Lacewing)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/10 "2021-08-26T17:13:17Z")
Thrips also leave black dots on the underside of leaves …spider mites would have webs all around … If you don’t see webs check for tiny elongated translucent creamish/white colors insects they could have brown lateral bands or brown bands lengthwise … ---
**Author:** ![oldmarine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/user_avatar/ilgmforum.com/oldmarine/32/524771_2.png) [@oldmarine](https://ilgmforum.com/u/oldmarine)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/11 "2021-08-26T17:15:39Z")
These old eyes saw a trail in that last pic. Spider mites it is. Still recommend CJDB. Spray today, spray tomorrow, and spray the next day. Take a break and start all over again. ---
**Author:** ![Tylersays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Tylersays](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Tylersays)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/12 "2021-08-26T17:15:41Z")
You need at least 2 or 3 different products as mites will quickly develop immunity to whatever you use. Sadly, mites are NOT a one time treatment as most poisons don’t kill the eggs. Do Jacks, follow up with Neem the next night and alcohol/water or something different the third. Then start the cycle again. Always spray before lights out so as not to burn the leaves and leaves fans and exhaust running to make sure they dry before the lights come back on. Also doesn’t hurt to take all the effected leaves and get rid of them - I flush them down the toilet - escape that mofo! Best of luck to you! ---
**Author:** ![Tylersays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Tylersays](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Tylersays)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/13 "2021-08-26T17:18:21Z")
It’s possible the poster caught it in the early stages, I DEFINITELY have mites, same observations and no webbing as of yet. It seems like it happens overnight when it happens. but it’s been going for a bit by the time you see webbing ---
**Author:** ![Lacewing](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/user_avatar/ilgmforum.com/lacewing/32/601142_2.png) [@Lacewing](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Lacewing)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/14 "2021-08-26T17:34:29Z")
Ah got ya … I have a sunflower plant with thrip damage ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/original/4X/7/e/e/7eeb3ec9e1389b1034f387d6dfafbeb477ec5a8b.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/original/4X/1/e/0/1e06968323265da0e31780476a34bcb6b937e9a8.jpeg) Top and underside If you look close on the underside you see “black” dots Which aren’t black at all just darker green than should be due to them feeding / laying Right next door there’s a black eye Susan vine with leaf miner damage ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/original/4X/e/0/b/e0be74d2b7a00f88bd1b13792634012a96de412b.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/original/4X/e/a/3/ea38ceb61a0efc97c6f08cf34fc7b28235f8f584.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Myfriendis410](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/user_avatar/ilgmforum.com/myfriendis410/32/556067_2.png) [@Myfriendis410](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Myfriendis410)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/15 "2021-08-26T21:17:20Z")
> [@Tylersays](#): > > follow up with Neem the next night and alcohol/water or something different the third First; any other treatments will negate (kill) the C.J.'s. Neem oil I’ll never use on cannabis again. I alternate between two bacterial products: Captain Jack’s and Safer Caterpillar Killer. Two different bacterial vectors. Life cycle and maturation of toxin takes five days. I like to use peroxide in lieu of alcohol or any other product like that. It will make leaves papery and dry around the edges. Wait 24 hours then apply C.J.'s, wait five days, peroxide, 24 hours later apply Safer. Repeat. That should catch the eggs as larvae emerge. ---
**Author:** ![RustyJohnson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/94ad74/32.png) [@RustyJohnson](https://ilgmforum.com/u/RustyJohnson)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 11:14am UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/16 "2023-07-19T11:14:09Z")
Thanks for the comment on thrips. I am searching the old files here to identify what insects are on my plants. I did some googling on thrips, and I’m 99% sure that’s what it is. Note, however that thrips, like most insects, go through a number of life stages called “instars”. The thrips on my plants are at the 2nd or 3rd instar stage. ---
**Author:** ![Lacewing](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/user_avatar/ilgmforum.com/lacewing/32/601142_2.png) [@Lacewing](https://ilgmforum.com/u/Lacewing)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://ilgmforum.com/t/any-ideas-wtf-this-is/73857/17 "2023-08-24T00:06:48Z")
Annoying little monsters aren’t they ? If you grow outdoors in the same spot ,look up minute pirate bugs ,do whatever you can to attract those to your garden /property ,they love thrips and reproduce possible a few generations on your plants ,they also go through instars,they are also called insedious flower bug,they like flowers so marigolds,daisies,sunflowers,will all Attract them ,they are also herbs I think caraway ,dill ,lemon grass which also repels Mosquitos I have soy bean thrips naturally around here and they love cannabis ,but since I also have their predators they are never an issue that the plant can’t tolerate along with pirates eating them I’m in my second round of autos this season pesticide free ,here is a pretty nice plant that I thought was an auto ,looks like it will be coming inside end of October lol ![IMG_2547](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/growingmarijuana/original/4X/2/1/d/21d786286e543491566d6feae58e287a106656a4.jpeg)